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What If Peter Milligan had written the comic that inspired a TV series ?

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slinker    893

i'm sort of confused by all these threads so if i missed someone having already posted this, do forgive as it is divine or somesuch nonsense.

 

but here -

"Hellblazer's" Past Weighs in on "Constantine's" Future

 

 

Milligan, the last creator to pen the ongoing "Hellblazer" title, expressed the most doubt:

"I suppose my first thought was 'I probably won't watch that,'" writer Peter Milligan told CBR News about NBC's "Constantine." "This is based on how Constantine has been portrayed outside the pages of 'Hellblazer,' and generally how bland and de-bollocked comics with any edge tend to be when they're portrayed in another medium."

 

In Milligan's case, the writer told CBR that what he thought was at "Hellblazer's" core, and what he would ideally hope to see in a TV adaptation, was the, "Sex, swearing, cynicism, bleakness, a lack of 'learning.' There can be love but no sentimentality."

"I like the comic and the character when it and he wallows in the bleak and miserable gutters of life," Milligan added.

 

 

it makes the little dark thing in me start to squirm seeing him perceived as someone knowledgeable about hellblazer. it's kind of like seeking construction tips from the Titanic's captain. "oh, you often play chicken with icebergs and big boats do you? why, you aren't exhibiting the behavior of someone responsible for guiding big boats safely across the sea!"

 

or "convicted murderer says he's concerned his victim's corpse is being exploited by mourning family who refuse to give him a viking funeral."

 

i also am somewhat stricken by him being so clueless that his version of John was the model for Teenage Johnny and the Heckblazer Mysteries. so it appears that those of us who blamed his run sucking on milligan not knowing the character were correct and win a 35 cent thriftstore coupon. oh, it expired. shoot!

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Red    467

I call bygones on the Milligan thing. The interview was fun to read, especially Delano and Jenkins, who I haven't read that much about.

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Guest Nick Neko   
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It's entirely possible that Milligan likes and understands the character of Constantine, but just found himself unable to get it down on paper.

He seems to understand everything that makes me enjoy the character. He seems to ge speaking as a fa, not as the writer who missed writing Constantine properly.

I agree with Milligan, whether he can write the character or not. It's what I'd like to see out of anything HB related.

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A. Heathen    1,120

I call bygones on the Milligan thing.

 

It's not really the sort of thing that can be forgiven that way.

Nice try though.

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Gwilym    330

The books are still out there and they're still doing damage. The pain for me is recent. Look at my eyes.

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slinker    893

fuck milligan. he can munch a phallus. he didn't understand the character at all. he even admitted in the article, he liked to make john suffer and he was happiest when john was at his worst. that's only cool when you allow the character to rise from his worst and display him at his best, not when you have that character as a prisoner you love to torment, which is how milligan wrote hellblazer. milligan never allowed john any triumph, instead he became revisionist scum who totally changed the main character, the supporting characters, and then had the audacity to inject his own character into the mess he wrote making it even worse, he just wanted to leave the stain of his own seed on john's coat while killing him. make no mistake, milligan killed john constantine well before issues 298 through 300. and for that, he sucks. no bygones for milligan. he is this comic's dark age, the story told by those who win the wars because those who lose don't get their stories told right. and that's how milligan wrote hellblazer - like it was a vanquished enemy. i won't read another title by him. i know others who feel the same. i won't give him another chance to betray my fan loyalty. his career is dead to me, and my conscience has burned the remains. he can fuck off for what he's done.

 

sorry for the downvote, red. that wasn't for you, it was for milligan, but you unfortunately took that bullet for him.

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slinker    893

no, i'm not unforgiving. if milligan came to his senses and admitted his failure and asked for forgiveness, i would give it to him. i could wait, but i know it isn't forthcoming. i've yet to know of a writer who ever admitted anything he wrote sucks. they'll sometimes say they "were naive in some of their earlier works," but they never say "yeah, i fucked the dog on that one. wish i had a do-over for it!"

 

but, should milligan escape his ego and ask for it, he shall surely get it.

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Gwilym    330

haha. Maybe, but my freshly-burned sensibilities loved it. It's the sort of overblown yet eloquent viciousness I don't usually like, but the actual content rang completely true :]

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Red    467

Get real. Even though Milligan's run was very poor, he didn't "kill Hellblazer". Hellblazer would have been cancelled anyway. He may possibly have hastened the cancellation, but that's as far as it goes. Don't get me wrong, his run is my least favorite by far, but it's kind of absurd to hate the guy personally for writing something you don't like.

 

I kinda hope noone involved in the upcoming TV show reads these threads.

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Gwilym    330

"That was a highly articulate outburst, Vyvyan. I only hope they're not watching."

 

I dunno, I read the ad hominem stuff as colourful flavour*. slinker playing Rage Man. Anyone on the production team who read it would surely just roll their eyes, say "oh, internet," and then write a thinly-veiled version of slinker who'd get eaten by a demon in the pre-credits sequence.

 

Anyway, it was John he said Milligan killed, not Hellblazer. There's a pretty big difference there, and even if it's still a huge overblown exaggeration, it's also impressively succinct; subsuming carefully measured critique, spittle-flecked personal anger, and the fact that Milligan did literally kill John. It's efficient writing! I could learn a lot from it.

 

*for the purposes of this sentence, slinker and I have synesthesia

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A. Heathen    1,120

I agree with red's underlying point that (just like the days of Keanu) casual observers of the forum will see BLAH BLAH BLAH Milligan BLAH BLAH BLAH not smoking BLAH BLAH BLAH not bisexual BLAH BLAH BLAH before they see the useful details in the minor posts.

We're not discussing /rehashing the past sins of the comic here

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Red    467

This is, after all, a forum chock full of knowledge about the Hellblazer comic, and it would be a boon to the series if some of the creators stopped by. But if they see us for just kids screaming obscenities, they'd probably just walk away, fast.

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seventhcircle    571

I agree with red's underlying point that (just like the days of Keanu) casual observers of the forum will see BLAH BLAH BLAH Milligan BLAH BLAH BLAH not smoking BLAH BLAH BLAH not bisexual BLAH BLAH BLAH before they see the useful details in the minor posts.

We're not discussing /rehashing the past sins of the comic here

 

but I... I already took out my torch and pitchfork, what am I supposed to do with these now that you call off the witchhunt?

 

More on topic: are there any hints if they go with the mythology displayed in hellblazer (gods of actecs or indigenous australiens, trinity of hell and stuff) or more with the classic biblical one. And as you mentioned the film: I would like a depiction of a demon as spot on as lucifer in the constantine film (which was the highlight there apart from the great great fx effects [i mean that scene where lucifer stepped through the glass door and all those splinters hovering in the air, that was flawless, even after some lectures on photorealistic rendering that scene still makes me... go in aw]).

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Christian    728

We will not be satisfied until Milligan has been crucified for the sins of what he did to Hellblazer!

 

Seriously, I liked how Milligan described his take on John Constantine in that interview. I just wish it would have come through better in his writing on the book, instead of treating the book as if he didn't care for the character of John Constantine at all.

 

Seventh-Those elements of mythology you speak of were rarely used in HB though. It was mainly the Judeo-Christian mythos that were used in the book. Even the Trinity in Hell concept is just an inverse of the Holy Trinity of Christianity, and regardless if it had DCU elements, it's still a Judeo-Christian concept, since it's still Hell and it used beings who are considered demons (Azazel, Beelzebub, Satan).

The use of Nergal is based on the later Christianizing of Mesopotamian belief, rather than the Babylonian deity.

Australian mythology was only used for one story-arc, and that's considered a minor HB story (although I enjoyed it).

I only remember Aztec gods playing a role in the Mike Carey graphic novel.

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slinker    893

diggle was on here when i first joined but someone else chased him away, not me.

 

i think whenever you are employed in a media type public job, you pretty much know critics come with the job. so you put on your big girl panties and pack a lunch and show up for work. i think the reason some writers don't come here has more to do with being busy and earning that paper than "oh no, random fuck forum guy said i produce fecal when i write." i certainly don't think someone like milligan would shy away because some nothing asshole like me condemns him to hell for destroying everything i loved about that book. for all we know, he's proud of it (and said as much in the article). forums exist to spout opinions ad nauseum. were mr milligan to come aboard and take offense to anything i said or someone else said, there's that ignore button right there on our profiles so anyone can ignore anyone else. of course, that will make some threads not make a bit of sense when it's obvious a large chunk of the dialog is missing, but if it helps to abate those monthlies, then they have the power.

 

i just don't think grown ups who create stuff for a living and earn a nifty chunk of change in the process are afraid of fanboy rage in the least, not to mention it keeping them from engaging a forum full of fans. come on, I at least give milligan more credit than some of you who are afraid hims feelers might get hurted. for crying out loud, he's the antichrist! he's not afraid of someone as righteous as me!

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Christian    728

heh

 

Mike Carey was a regular member during his run.

 

Yes, these public figures can take criticism, but geez, why come somewhere and get involved in a debate where you're being called the "embodiment of all evil". Geez, how do you argue with that?

It'd be like a liberal going on a Tea Party web-site, or a Republican going on Mother Jones. What's the damn point? All you're going to do is start yelling at each other.

I don't think Milligan frequents internet web-sites anyway. I've never seen any where that he's dropped by an internet forum to get involved in discussions. He's way too big a star for us lowlies, man!

 

Adrian has been dragging this thread all across this web-site. Where will it turn up next, and in what guise? Perhaps this thread is the true identity of the anti-Christ!

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slinker    893

i don't like that this broke off into its own thread. plus I had written this dope rap as a retort to red's post and it got lost because i pushed post at the exact time this new thread was splintered off. so thanks for that!

 

but Red, you're wrong. if they weren't concerned with what loudmouthed assholes like me think, they wouldn't leak the fucking pilot in order to get feedback. know your role, son. when something sucks, you scream how bad it sucks by typing in all caps and overcussing, 3 fucks per sentence at least. they need us to keep them on track, to keep them from sucking more. for too long, hacks have worked feedback free. those days are over. with ibnstant gratification comes instant pain, with instant karma comes instant retribution.

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slinker    893

christian, i would register at every single site that claimed i was the embodiment of all evil. you can't buy promo like that. that's geek cred on meth, man!

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