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#1 JohnMcMahon

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:41 AM

Running behind but the preview for #6 is pretty good.
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Posted 11 November 2015 - 02:38 PM

Is that uncle Frank's magic puzzlebox he's posing with in the third page sample miniature?

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 02:49 PM

Looks like it
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Posted 11 November 2015 - 05:37 PM

I think it appeared in the previous issue. I've seen it somewhere in a recent comic.

That *looks* good but my problem has not been the artwork.
So far.
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Posted 12 November 2015 - 02:29 AM

The box seems to be like the Ghostbusters ghost trap, eh?

I don't know what to think about this issue.
Was it a redeeming story? Not really.
Was it an improvement? Without a doubt.
I think done in one stories do the writers more favours.
I guess it was cute.
There were still problems. Too much packed in to the pages, with John getting constant jobs. A few were cute, after a while, it started to feel lije too much, with not much content.
The book is trying too hard to seem "hip" at times too. It wants us to know this is 2015 John, not 1980s John. A lot if the charm for John was that he didn't change though. He was an older man. It feels very off to me, especially pointing it out to the reader in the story. The New 52 series sort of just avoided that, even though John was younger than HB, not as young as this version though.
I guess I'll pick up the next issue, but the book doesn't excite me. I'm on the fence.
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Posted 12 November 2015 - 12:53 PM

To be fair, one of the really big writers on the original run of Hellblazer wrote John a lot too young as well. Ennis' whole frame of reference for the guy did not make him feel like a guy turning forty, did it?

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:36 PM

No. The idea of John as immature has been faulted with both Ennis and Milligan. Milligan's John did not act like a 60 year old man either, in the least. Perhaps he was at his most immature by Milligan.
It was more the time-frame in which the character was written though. It's obvious that this version of John IS young, in his late-20s. It's not that John is being written as a younger person. It's just that he's being written as a culturally specific young person, more of a "hipster" type. I guess that's an updating of the younger John being written as a "punk rocker" in his younger days. I guess it's just an age difference on the part of a lot of us readers now. When we started reading HB, many of us were either younger than John, or part of the same generation as him. I guess it didn't feel so obvious, even though, looking back, you can see John being involved with the punk scene as culturally specific.
(I know there are members here in their 20s. I think the usual demographic for JC fans is probably 30s to 40s though. And, I don't think younger readers of HB were wanting to see a JC who was closer to their age anyway, as I don't see that as the appeal of the character.)
I can see an attempt made to bring in younger readers, who could relate tot this John, rather than a 1980s or 1990s John Constantine. I don't know how well that would succeed. The difference being that John was dealing with the specific socio-political issues of the day when Hellblazer started. Now, John isn't challenging anything. So, it's sort of what's the point, really?
I guess it's just jarring to me reading about John getting a smart phone. In context, he did say he wasn't very interested in such things, and only got it because an ex-boyfriend talked him in to it.
Ennis' John was emotionally immature. Milligan's John was just poorly written, as if Milligan didn't realize he was meant to be writing a 60 year old man. I didn't really consider the back-story of John in a punk rock band though.
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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:24 AM

Okay, this issue was nice.
Just an ordinary day of John's life doing strange things all in one book. It's a lot better then how new52 Constnatine did things and we had to see EVERY single thing with no substance involved.
I like this issue because it's a brief look into John's life of being a white collar mage.

That being said, I won't say it's perfect. Despite it being good, I still had a few things that I wasn't too found of.
For example, the demons didn't feel too...demon...ish, John seemed to do nothing but talk and barely let anyone else speak, and a few other minor things (artwork still not my thing)

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 12:50 PM

I think some people are finding how talky he is now a bit irksome as well, aren't they? He used to save all of the blather for caption boxes...

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 07:37 PM

There's a lot of that too. He's just talking all over the place, all the time now. That dialogue needs improvement. When Stan Lee is reading your comic book and going, "Whoa! That's way too wordy!" you know you need to work on the narrative. You just come upon a few pages where there's so much information on the page you can barely see the art, and it's not introspective running monologues. It's telling things that the reader can figure out from the page.
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:01 AM

On the persuasiveness of a friend, I have read this in full.

My brief summary: I also enjoyed the opening.
If this had been a break between adventures of a troubled soul or a globetrotting mage losing all his friends, it'd have been more worthy, but it feels like it's the same pace of loquaciousness and throwaway magickery (and references to elsewhere).
It's almost impossible to note a change in pace.
My suggestion is pull out all the pages between page 5 and where Johnny comes home.
From the back of the pages you have removed, there is a story page you can stick over the DK3 advert (ie where you have the revelation that Papa Midnite is called Linton.)
Or if you'd like to redact some nekkid Constantine, stick the Midnight page over story page 5.

Hey Presto ! You will have wasted less time than it takes to read this issue.

Personally, I'd just end it at p.4

In defence of the rest, it's nice that there's a Vatican connection (accidental or not)
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It's not supposed to be realistic in that sense."

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 12:42 PM

So that's three different names Midnite has had so far, then? Poor bastard gets renamed every time they restart the comic...
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 03:26 PM

I may have to check this out. I picked it up and looked through the pages and while i liked the art, I decided to wait to read what you guys thought about it.

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 08:49 PM

honestly from the perspective of somebody who just turned 23...the age disparage in hellblazer always irked me and that was what threw me offmost about JC in milligan's era.

that said,he is not translating well to this new generation.period.i'm from the era of cell phones and computers ,and f he;s in my age range,i see john as lurking on creepy magic websites...running a website for his business(magic one that can't be tracked by feds) an advice column/blog on creepy shit,hanging out at local places where the darker crowd hangs (New 52 got this right...he met zatanna and nick necro at a club...).And 'know what?

he needs to get a damn job .

running an occult shop/ pawn shop covering for a place that sells supernatural and other messed up items (form hellblazer,that was his original occupation!a crooked as broker...the clock think with azarello and stealing the ace of winchesters from midnight.Why does nobody remember this stuff?) .And that could all just be a cover for what he really does.Or hell,make him a PI who only takes strange cases (something like harry dresden who,yknow,kinda had his set up ...less obscure).

Nowadays,staying under the radar won't get him far as there are other people on the grid who would be competition...i think if they wanna do modern they need to sit down a bit and speculate on this.

i will say i like that his sexuality isn't hidden.in this day and age ,he could get away with being queer more than back then.


At least on SUPERNATURAL,sam winchester pulled out a computer every time you turned around,they used cell phones and all.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 03:13 AM

He has a job as per this very issue. He does odd jobs for people with supernatural problems, and has some sort of web-site set up for people to contact him with their problems.
He never had any sort of proper job, he was basically doing this sort of work-for-hire thing in the HB stories you mention.

I liked the supernatural detective direction that Warren Ellis was taking John, during his short time on the book.
I wouldn't mind seeing John in that sort of role. The new book just doesn't have the correct tone to do it right though.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 10:31 AM

I think he should have a groovy van and drive around solving mysteries with Rich the Punk and his dog. Or that chimp from the Delano one-shot.

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 02:03 PM

i think he should be a frog, i don't know how i come to this idea, but somehow the idea of a smoking frog in a trenchcoat does seem super-entertaining to me.

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 02:05 PM

I actually quite like the whole not-having-a-proper-job thing, myself. As Lady C says, it'd be nice to see where some of his income is coming from if it's interesting, but I've always seen him more as an occult Travis McGee* than Harry Dresden: it's not so much a job as something he does when he starts to run out of money. The set up from Delano (which lasted at least through Ennis' run) with him as a supernaturally crooked professional gambler still works, particularly as the dodgy broker for supernatural schmutter was more involved with him doing legwork for a couple of characters who are now dead (or as good as, in the case of Jerry O'Flynn). If we just saw him being turned away from a bookies once in a while it would clear that one up.

*(without the houseboat, obvs)

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 02:47 PM

Or a huge casino on a hill near a coastal holiday resort.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 04:18 PM

Point taken: I was forgetting Diggle had referenced that as well.




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