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#41 Christian

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 01:44 AM

I have my doubts. Unless the woman is an occultist, Engelhart makes any vaguely feminist character act like a psycho.
Engelhart prefers "safe" women or women he can equate with an earth goddess.
It was an unsucessful relationship for Bruce anyway. He tried, but realized the only type of woman he can love is a dominatrix.
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:55 AM

View PostChristian, on 20 March 2016 - 01:44 AM, said:

I have my doubts. Unless the woman is an occultist, Engelhart makes any vaguely feminist character act like a psycho.
Engelhart prefers "safe" women or women he can equate with an earth goddess.
It was an unsucessful relationship for Bruce anyway. He tried, but realized the only type of woman he can love is a dominatrix.

but don't most men prefer safe women?
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 03:25 AM

Maybe. I think it'd depend.
I'd guess many men might be intimidated by a female who is too much of a challenge for them.
I'd get bored with a safe woman.
Perhaps that's why so many men cheat. They want to marry a safe woman, but then get bored, and they start looking around atwomen who don't look so safe.
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 08:11 PM

View Postdogpoet, on 19 March 2016 - 02:05 PM, said:

:ohmy: :laugh: :hattip:
A highly convincing argument.
thank you, it is also thourogly thought out, as you might guess. yes, i am very proud :laugh:

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but don't most men prefer safe women?
wouldn't you need to feel extremly safe with a dominatrix, to allow her to, you know, dominate you? i never had the opportunity to try that stuff out, but to me it seems, that the whole bdsm thing is highly demanding of a lot of trust and safety. no?

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 08:29 PM

I think she meant "safe" as in "easier to get along with or control", not health-hazard wise. Yeah, BDSM is based on "safety" words, so that the person can stop what's happening at any time they choose.
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 09:44 PM

so weak is safe now, huh. i always felt like the complete opposite.

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 09:50 PM

I don't understand that....If you're stronger than someone, you are safer around them, right? There's more of a threat to you if you're facing someone who is stronger than you.
Hence, a partner who is more difficult and complex is not as "safe".
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 10:39 PM

i think you are almost always safer with someone you can trust, regardless if you are in some ways superior to them or not. if you can bully someone into submission with your intellect, physical strength, financial ressources, emotional unpredictability or whatever and draw your confidence in the relationship from that fact, even if you plan to never act on it, thats not a relationship, thats a trainwreck waiting to happen. couples that don't realize that and are staying together for a long time, are one of the more depressive things you can witness. most of the time thats just a big pile of emotional scar tissue and propably at least one person slowly getting bereft of their soul. someone who is aware of their strength, is more confident, more stable has a higher likelihood to fulfill the needs of a healthy grown up partner and is more trustworthy, because they are not in a relationship with you, because they depend on you, they are because they want to be and thats safety.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 12:43 AM

And, if only more people realized that, the divorce rate and the amount of people cheating on their partners would decrease. Sadly, I don't see many people who fall in to those traps waking up to that fact. There's still too much "instinct" involved with relationships, and not enough love or intellect. A lot of males think they should be dominant in a relationship, while a lot of females are looking for economic safety or suitable genetics for fathering a child. The fact that love is needed for a relationship, and that love can only come from equality, is still often overlooked by far too many couples.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:02 AM

View PostChristian, on 21 March 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

And, if only more people realized that, the divorce rate and the amount of people cheating on their partners would decrease. Sadly, I don't see many people who fall in to those traps waking up to that fact. There's still too much "instinct" involved with relationships, and not enough love or intellect. A lot of males think they should be dominant in a relationship, while a lot of females are looking for economic safety or suitable genetics for fathering a child. The fact that love is needed for a relationship, and that love can only come from equality, is still often overlooked by far too many couples.

That is completely true.Though I think people fail to realize what love is.I blame the media partially,but here's the thing; due to sexism ,classism and racism ,there have always been boundaries on relationships,expectations.But this is the first time in history when you can really choose a partner because you love them,I think people don't actually know how to handle this. There is also a fact that --I dunno about other countries but America has this "divorce culture".It's like people get married/get together with no intention of spending their lives together.It's like people say"you cna always get divorced",just as easily as you can grab another pair of socks from your drawer . :(
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 12:51 PM

View Postseventhcircle, on 20 March 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

wouldn't you need to feel extremly safe with a dominatrix, to allow her to, you know, dominate you? i never had the opportunity to try that stuff out, but to me it seems, that the whole bdsm thing is highly demanding of a lot of trust and safety. no?
Absolutely. There's this catchphrase "safe, sane and consensual" all over the BDSM scene. The S&M lot are very careful to stress that what they're into isn't abuse, but a lot of the fantasies that underpin the roleplaying are deeply unpleasant and would be massively abusive if ever enacted for real. (This is one of the big issues with those stupid "Fifty Shades..." books, though the fact that EL James has a prose style like she was dropped on her head as a baby and creates less convincing characters than M Night Shyulaman attracts a lot of dismissals from pervs as well. The spectacle of somebody who seems to think John Norman had the last word on gender relationships complaining that James is writing a how to book on gaslighting and abusive relationships is pretty funny, if I'm honest.)

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:26 PM

well if that isn't a rant, i have never seen one dog :biggrin:

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:33 PM

I was a bit unimpressed by El James. Does it show?

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 04:12 PM

just a tiney bit :biggrin:

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 07:44 PM

Amazingly enough, a lot of females love Fifty Shades of Grey. My girlfriend makes fun of all these women where she works who read Fifty Shades, and rave about how sexy and exciting it was.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 08:04 PM

I suppose if you've never read any pornography by anybody with a prose style and a clue about constructing a narrative or characterisation, it probably looks a bit better. She appears to be filling a role as the Dan Brown of smut at the moment, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that she's outselling Pauline Reage and Anais Nin.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 08:29 PM

Yep. Very true. I think those sort of women also really enjoy the "bodice-ripper" crap.
I worked in an used book store for a while, at one point in my life, and those were the biggest trade-ins at the store. Women would bring in huge shopping bags filled with that idiocy for the store to take as credit, then they'd leave the store with the shopping bags filled with more of that idiocy. I think the used book market would collapse if it wasn't for bodice-rippers, Stephen King, Dean Koontz, and Anne Rice.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 08:41 PM

Very true. I don't know if you spend much time in used bookshops or charity shops since you changed jobs, but I've seen a lot of EL James' pseudosmut in those over the last three years or so. It'd be nice to think the donors had tried to read it, thought: "Kinell, what is this shite?" and taken it straight in there...

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 09:40 PM

Nah. They probably just read it and immediately took it to the store to pick up the latest Danielle Steele book.
Yep. I spend a lot of time in used book stores, and I've figured out that different types of readers act differently with their books. Readers who tend to read New York Times Best Seller books tend to trade in their books after they read them. Readers who read books that are considered more cerebral or avant-garde tend to hoard their books. There are certain authors that I have rarely ever come across in a random used book store, I've had to order them off the internet. It's true that far less readers read those authors than, say, King, but it's also true that the people who read those types of books tend to save them.
Certain classics are exempt from the criteria however, as schools often make students read the books, and the students want to get rid of the books. So, you might find One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest pop up at used book stores more often due to the fact that many schools assign the novel. Otherwise, Kesey's most famous book would probably be harder to find.
I fall very much in to the hoarder catergory. Unless I'm reading a book and dislike it, I hold on to my copy.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:35 PM

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View Postseventhcircle, on 20 March 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

wouldn't you need to feel extremly safe with a dominatrix, to allow her to, you know, dominate you? i never had the opportunity to try that stuff out, but to me it seems, that the whole bdsm thing is highly demanding of a lot of trust and safety. no?
Absolutely. There's this catchphrase "safe, sane and consensual" all over the BDSM scene. The S&M lot are very careful to stress that what they're into isn't abuse, but a lot of the fantasies that underpin the roleplaying are deeply unpleasant and would be massively abusive if ever enacted for real. (This is one of the big issues with those stupid "Fifty Shades..." books, though the fact that EL James has a prose style like she was dropped on her head as a baby and creates less convincing characters than M Night Shyulaman attracts a lot of dismissals from pervs as well. The spectacle of somebody who seems to think John Norman had the last word on gender relationships complaining that James is writing a how to book on gaslighting and abusive relationships is pretty funny, if I'm honest.)
in that book,that was an outright abusive relationship ,couldn't finish it .and in real life,alot of people would've seriously called the police on that asshole.That and plus the fact that she didn't seem to be into the kink all the time was off putting and yes,yes the writing sty;e was terrible.
and ugh,bodice rippers...i have an aunt who reads that kinda stuff.

truth,i throw no shade at erotica,in fact ,good smut is a plus.i also throw no shade at bdsm . but fifty shades was wtf
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