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#1 BobafrigginFeet

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 06:59 AM

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Apparently he was a dang Nazi in the DC Bombshells series. He also turns into a rabbit.

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AN: If Constantine and Lucifer were in a drag down take out no-holds-barred fight, who wins?
MC: Lucifer wins, then as he's walking away he realizes his wallet's gone.

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 11:09 AM

judging from the pic, he just could be some kind of hipster

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Of cause you keep going on. We.. we all keep going on. If we stop laughing, than they have won.
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Posted 29 March 2016 - 11:51 AM

Those boots are definitely a thing now, then.

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 12:19 PM

and here i was wondering why there are never any half naked women sitting on my desk. must be the shoes, mine have not enough ss going on.

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Of cause you keep going on. We.. we all keep going on. If we stop laughing, than they have won.
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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:19 PM

Indeed. Looks like Zatanna is winning that boot-off, though...

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 03:42 PM

oh god...it looks like the one from constantine:The Hellblazer

but having taken a read myself...he was apparantly a double agent/undercover for whatever reason. Judging by what happens next issue,it makes sense that he would actually do that.
guess they didn't look twice cuz he fit their tall.blonde hair,blue eyes ideal.
have to wonder how long he was acting as an agent though?
can he use any of their weapons? can he throw down.

also you can NOT tell me this isn't cute. It's wrong,but it's cute

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 04:22 PM

"The free food and sex out here is great, but I'm going back to the laboratory: I'm gasping for a fag..."

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 08:12 AM

Rabbit you say. Huh.

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 07:23 PM

i am,however,curious to know how she knows him in this universe though.will be reading on--not just cuz bunny constantine,but i am a sucker for dc elseworlds stories
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Posted 31 March 2016 - 01:15 PM

That looks a lot more fun than I'd expected. I may have to see if there's a collection of it.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 02:56 AM

its pretty cool ,if you can ignore all the historical innacuracy
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Posted 29 April 2016 - 04:36 PM

welp, blonde hair, blue eyes..... he's indeed what hitler wanted , lol
thanks to john constantine , i'll now wear trench coats, smoke and drink constantly, talk in a british accent, get a sting haircut, fuck lots and lots of people, start a punk band, piss off people on a daily basis for shits and giggles, and literally piss on vampires and trick demons into curing my cancer.

like a BOSS.

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 06:50 PM

Unless he subscribed to the occult school of Ariosophy though, he'd have been sent to the concentration camps or exiled, since all other forms of occultism were persecuted in Nazi Germany.
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Posted 29 April 2016 - 07:48 PM

Hasn't a lot of what Goodrich-Clark had to say about that been questioned by other historians with an interest in occult esoteria?

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 08:30 PM

Which part are you referring to there? The influence of Ariosophy on Nazism, or the persecution of other occult orders?

The persecution of other occult orders is known to be accurate. Freemasons were one of the largest number of inmates in concentration camps. The Nazis attempted to assassinate Rudolf Steiner, but he had fled before they arrived with as much of his work as possible, and then they burned the remainder of his works. Theosophical societies were all banned by law in, I believe, 1937. Most theosophists left Germany at that time, although some remained. Theosophists who opposed the passing of that law were jailed. The Nazis wanted nothing to do with Crowley and his libertinism, and any German people with known associations with Crowley were ordered to be arrested. Of course, any orders based around Kabbalism would have been outlawed, due to its origins and relations with Judaism. Different Rosicrucianism-related order's members were killed when the Nazis invaded France. For its part, the fascists exiled Crowley from Italy.

If you meant the other part, I think he got a lot of his information from Morning of the Magicians, of which the historical accuracy of such has been called in to question quite often.
On that account, I have heard that Franz List, who is usually pointed to as the most prominent Ariosophist, was considered by Hitler to be nonsense, and members of Ariosophy were, pretty much, told to shut up by the authorities. I've also heard that a lot of these Aryan cults did help in the early formation of the national Socialist movement though.
They taught that the goals of utopian Socialism were worth pursuing, but that they couldn't be accomplished until the "end of history", when the bloodlines had been purified, and there was only the pure Aryan race left. At that time, the ideals of "liberty, fraternity, and equality" could be adopted. Which is quite compatible with Nazi beliefs.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 12:34 PM

I was thinking more of the latter, Christian. I've always found the assumption that the rise of National Socialism and all of its terrible consequences can be blamed mostly on one group of occultniks assuming seniority over every other occult secret society in Germany deeply pathetic and unconvincing. Most other occult historians besides Goodrich-Clark seem to agree with me. The Occult Roots of Nazism seems to be one of those books like The Origin Of Consciousness In The Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind or Worlds In Collision that's mostly devoted to an intriguing theory without a scrap of evidence to back it up any.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 06:09 PM

It seems to be that occultists like to postulate this idea that the world is run by secret lodges of white magicians and secret lodges of black magicians, with the two sides vying for control of human history. The writer, as an occultist, like to pretend that he's taking the side of the "good guys" in history (based on whatever his own beliefs happen to be), and that he's part of the struggle to save humanity from the evil black magicians. By creating a scenario where that was the case in World War II, with the Nazis representing a form of black magical order, it helps promote this belief in how history is shaped.

I agree that the idea of Nazism being all based in the occult is highly overestimating the situation, but I don't disagree that certain occult orders which were based in the Aryan race as a superior race whose mission was to cleanse the world for the sake of the deities had a role in the early national Socialist movement, before Hitler rose to power. It's also documented that members of Ariosophist orders were early members of the nascent national Socialist movement, and that some of the ideas proposed by Franz List, with his racial and cultural form of occultism, were very much compatible with Nazism. Of course, there were lots of other elements involved also.
Hitler, and most of his Nazi high command, seemed more concerned with materialist conceptions of history.
Himmler, on the other hand, was the guy who was really interested in the occult.

Goodrich-Clarke is at least more sensible with his theories than these religious Right types who like to lump together all forms of occultism as the exact same thing. So, Freemasons, the Golden Dawn, Anthroposophy, the Theosophical Society...they were all behind the Nazis! That's what the Nazis were....a bunch of homosexual occultists who worshipped Karl Marx! It's so insulting, considering that homosexual people, Communists, and members of different occult orders were all sent to concentration camps.
A simple reading of Nazi propaganda would show that the Nazis really conflated Jewish, Mason, and Communist in to one big conspiracy theory, that there was a conspiracy by the two groups to control the world, and that both are the creation of the "International Zionist Conspiracy".
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Posted 30 April 2016 - 08:08 PM

Is the notion that the Aryan race had to cleanse the world of inferior subhumans something that could only have fed into the Nazis from Ariosophy, though? That's an idea that seems to have been very much in the air during the 'twenties and 'thirties, and had pondlife trying to dignify and justify it with all sorts of nonsense besides the mystical stuff.

As for the religious right, aren't they more convinced that the Illuminati are behind everything these days? (Like that prick Mark Dice?) That said, I have always loved that Hitler and Himmler were trying to lump jews and communists together at a point in history where Stalin had been working on his own programme of pogroms. He obviously didn't get the memo that zionists and communists were supposed to be working together to overthrow the western world...

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 08:18 PM

Yeah, well, it's not like conspiracy theorists always make the most sense. Hence, the fact that the Freemasons were behind the Nazis, when the Freemasons were all put in concentration camps.
The "Illuminati" conspiracies usually involve Freemasons (and Knights Templar), usually with people not being able to discern a difference between the two. It's more palatable today to defame Masons rather than Jewish people, but there's always the hint that the real force behind Freemasonry and the Illuminati is probably Jewish, maybe with space aliens above them on the hierarchy too.
Most of the modern Right-Wing conspiracy theorists are still regurgitating the same tired conspiracies that the Catholic Church was promoting during the Reformation.

You seem to miss my point that we are pretty much in agreement about the whole Ariosophy thing. I'm not saying that an occult order was behind the creation of the national Socialists, I'm saying that the two were totally compatible, and there's no reason to think that Ariosophists weren't involved early in the national Socialist movement, even if when Hitler rose to power he wasn't directly influenced by Ariosophy.
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Posted 01 May 2016 - 11:22 AM

I think the "best" conspiracy theory I've seen lately is a book explaining that the Illuminati are running hip hop for the New World Order's benefit, and yeah, a lot of that does seem to be very familiar looking nonsense indeed. Apparently the occasional occult symbol in the album art is proof that somebody is a stooge of the ZOG. Presumably all of the antisemitic blathering some of these rappers come out with is just a bluff to hide who they're really working for...

Fair enough about the Ariosophists.




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