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#1 JohnMcMahon

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:39 AM

Figures care of icv2.com*, format stolen from Marc-Oliver Frisch at The Comic's Beat :

03/2013: Constantine #1  -- 37,564
04/2013: Constantine #2  -- 30,789 (- 18.0%)  -- 1:25 Variant cover by RENATO GUEDES
05/2013: Constantine #3  -- 29,106 (-  5.5%)   -- 1:25 B&W Variant cover by JUAN JOSE RYP
06/2013: Constantine #4  -- 26,417 (-  9.2%)   -- 1:25 B&W Variant cover by JUAN JOSE RYP  
07/2013: Constantine #5  -- 30,664 (+ 16.0%) -- Trinity War Crossover
08/2013: Constantine #6  -- 25,174 (-18%)
09/2013: --
10/2013: Constantine #7   -- 22,954 (-8%)
11/2013: Constantine #8   -- 20,981 (-8%)
12/2013: Constantine #9   -- 22,403 (+7%) -- Forever Evil : Blight Crossover
01/2014: Constantine #10 -- 20,729 (-7%)  -- Forever Evil : Blight Crossover
02/2014: Constantine #11 -- 20,385 (-2%)  -- Forever Evil : Blight Crossover
03/2014: Constantine #12 -- 20,015 (-2%)  -- Forever Evil : Blight Crossover
04/2014: Constantine #13 -- 18,454 (-8%)
05/2014: Constantine #14 -- 17,422 (-5%)
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06/2014: Constantine #15 -- 16,704 (-4%)
07/2014: Constantine #16 -- 16,235 (-2%)
08/2014: Constantine #17 -- 15,647 (-3.5%)
09/2014: Constantine Future's End #1 -- 45,392 (na)
10/2014: Constantine #18 -- 15,648 (0%) -- Earth 2
11/2014: Constantine #19 -- 15,716 (+.4%) -- Earth 2
12/2014: Constantine #20 -- 15,574 (-.9%) -- Earth 2
01/2015: Constantine #21 -- 15,209 (-2%) -- Earth 2
02/2015: Constantine #22 -- 14,716 (-3%) -- Earth 2
03/2015: Constantine #23 -- 14,530 *(-1%)
Relaunched
06/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #1 -- 38,080
07/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #2 -- 26,870 (-34%)
08/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #3 -- 24,040 (-11%)
09/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #4 -- 21,974 (-9%)
10/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #5 -- 20,431 (-7%)
11/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #6 -- 19,328 (-5%)
12/2015 : Constantine - The Helblazer #7 -- 18,601 (-4%)
01/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #8 -- 17,853 (-4%)
02/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #9 -- 17,179 (-3.8%)
03/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #10 -- 16,755 (-2.5%)
04/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #11 -- 16,248  (-3%)
05/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #12 -- 15,904 (-2%)
06/2016 : Constantine - The Helblazer #13 -- 15,697 (-1.3%)
Relaunched
07/2016 : Hellblazer Rebirth #1 -- 76,731
08/2016 : Hellblazer #1 -- 59,734
09/2016 : Hellblazer #2 -- 40,749 (-38%)
10/2016 : Hellblazer #3 -- 33,596 (-19%)
11/2016 : Hellblazer #4 -- 28,882 (-15%)
12/2016 : Hellblazer #5 -- 25,780 (-11%)
01/2017 : Hellblazer #6 -- 23,349 (-9%)

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

Is 30,000 good? that's what it seems to average over 5 issues. That just doesn't seem like that much over the entire world.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:00 PM

Not great, but not horrible. It would place it somewhere in the Top 70 for the average month.
The Marvel title FF is selling around those figures, looking online. So, about at that tier.

Here's info for May from Comic Book Resources, for reference: "The top selling comic from Marvel Comics was "X-Men (2013)" #1 in slot 1 with an estimated 177,629 units and for DC Comics was "Batman (2011)" #20 in rank 2 with an estimated 129,036 units."
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

Looking more closely at DC sales, it's usually selling better than Swamp Thing and Justice League Dark.
It looks like it's selling around the same average figures as Batwoman, monthly.
Going back to my May sales figures, it sold almost exactly equal to The Movement and more than The Green Team by DC. Now, those are horrible, horrible ideas, yes, but they were both launching their #1 issue that month.
(Thankfully, The Movement sold a bit more than The Green Team...)
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:05 PM

Swamp Thing 6 sold 41,000 copies.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:23 PM

Well, yeah, but Swamp Thing #21 didn't.
To be fair, Swamp Thing was one of the original New 52 launches. That was before people figured out that something was very wrong at DC.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:24 PM

If Constantine makes it to 21 we shall have this discussion again.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:07 PM

Right now, Constantine must meet the staunch challenge of beating the impressive length of Dial H.
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:28 AM

No issue in...September, I think it is, because of the Villains month gimmick - will be interesting to see where it's sat in October - if it's on the wrong side of the 24k line they've got a problem.
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

The pile of Constantine #5 in Forbidden Planet in London was ridiculously larger than all the ones around.
Although these are not included in the above stats, I would suggest that people who actually buy comics are starting to see through this DCU ploy.
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It's not supposed to be realistic in that sense."

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:51 AM

Updated to add figures for #6 and #7, on the face of it they don't look great but never fear as issues #9, #10, #11 and #12 are all part of a crossover.

Yippee!

November's figures should provide a good snapshot for the real health of the title as it'll mark the third month in a row without any crossover or cover gimmicks.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:38 PM

Fall, damn it!
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:35 AM

Good-natured grumbling aside I'd like to see the series find it's footing, be nice if they threw older readers a bone with a little Hellblazer every now and again, though I guess it really hasn't been gone that long yet.

Blowing half of the title's first year (well, 13 months, as they didn't bother shipping a regular/villain's issue in September) on cross-over nonsense isn't doing anyone any favours though.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:43 AM

It's just a trademark-serving exercise for them.

In other exciting crossover news, barely 2,000 Fables fans rushed to the Great Unwritten Fables Farago (G.U.F.F.)
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:33 AM

That's probably a 20% increase in single issue readers for something like Unwritten though, right ?  

Sure Mike's not going to grumble about that!

If all they wanted to do with 'John Constantine' was service the trademark they could've just kept pumping out Hellblazer, to be fair they've made a concentrated effort to get the character out there - to the point that there's shades of Wolverine to the sod, he's been popping up all over their solicitations since 'he' was shifted over to the main line.

Now, who do we see about annual Hellblazer one-shot/mini/ogns please ?
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

Yeah, an occasional Hellblazer OGN would be nice. But then any of the current readers might pick it up and be like "WTF is this shit?" Johnny might be too far gone at this point.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

Marvel manage to publish Max/original variants of its characters, not that difficult - just have to give your readership a little credit.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:11 PM

MAX Punisher, Wolverine, or Fantomex isn't that much different from the regular Marvel versions, not to the extent that Constantine is different from Hellblazer.
The MAX versions all have the same back-story, for instance.
Mostly they just ignore all the clutter that's popped up with Wolverine over the past 30 years and pare it down to the core.
I suppose you could do that with John Constantine. The series would be set in an earlier chronological date for Hellblazer continuity fanatics (like us), so that the character would match the age of the Constantine version, and it'd just basically ignore everything outside of the core character.
That wouldn't be a bad thing, as all the continuity that they stuck Hellblazer with for the last 100 issues (give or take) of Hellblazer ended up ruining a lot of the Hellblazer stories. A back-to-basics John Constantine story is always welcome.
I doubt we'll ever see it though.
Marvel publishes MAX versions of their line because they feel those characters will sell (Wolverine), or because they're trying the waters with a character who is untested as the star of a series (Fantomex). DC already knows that Hellblazer doesn't bring in the bucks, and the figures for Constantine aren't pushing DC to really take any chances with the character. John's facing the fate of other ex-Vertigo books. Remember, DC promised a "return visit" to Animal Man, Doom Patrol, and Shade after their Vertigo titles were axed, and we never saw any of those. They eventually just wandered back into the DCU over the years.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 03:36 PM

View PostJohnMcMahon, on 12 November 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

November's figures should provide a good snapshot for the real health of the title as it'll mark the third month in a row without any crossover or cover gimmicks.

Another 8% drop, off into crossovers for the next four issues now - enjoy, Constantine readers!

To put things into some perspective, Swamp Thing and Animal Man are both hitting that same 20K level now and they've just hit their 24th issue.  Animal Man's been cancelled.
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