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Revisitations 9: Peter Milligan's finale (2009-2013)


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#41 A. Heathen

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 08:30 AM

It was different rather than out and out bad, but a lot of the differences were very central to John's character.
I dropped it, finally, with the trenchcoat story.

I seem to recall him saying he was glad to see the ending open to everyone's personal interpretation.
Which is fair enough.
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"But that's the whole point, it's supernatural, these things happen.
It's not supposed to be realistic in that sense."

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 07:39 PM

View PostA. Heathen, on 22 December 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

It was different rather than out and out bad, but a lot of the differences were very central to John's character.
I dropped it, finally, with the trenchcoat story.

I seem to recall him saying he was glad to see the ending open to everyone's personal interpretation.
Which is fair enough.

In other words "I can't be arsed enough to explain my colossal fuck up."
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#43 A. Heathen

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:13 PM

No, pretty much what he said.
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"But that's the whole point, it's supernatural, these things happen.
It's not supposed to be realistic in that sense."

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:50 PM

Wolvy's translation is spot on, though.
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Posted 23 December 2014 - 01:23 AM

View PostDemon Chas08, on 22 December 2014 - 11:50 PM, said:

Wolvy's translation is spot on, though.

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Posted 23 December 2014 - 09:38 PM

I didn't read the run in full. Milligan is one of my top 5 favorite comic writers and I loved Scab. After that, things meandered a little bit and I was reading on and off until I finally dropped the book (mostly due to funds). I remember a lot of strange things in the India arc and I remember being highly taken aback at how Gemma was being written. I think I literally said out loud," What the Fuck?" while seeing how she was penned under his hand.

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Posted 25 December 2014 - 10:17 AM

I've never read Milligan's run actually. I've only read up to 237 with a few other things here and there after that, but I've yet to read his run.
But just tell me these basic questions;
  • What exactly happen to Gemma?
  • Did John end up burning that possessed trench coat?
  • Is it true Epiphany had a new face?
  • What ever happen to Kit?
  • Basically what happened in the final issue?


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Posted 27 December 2014 - 12:38 PM

Spoilers ahead, capn'n!

Something bad, a very crap piercing, something else bad, she got hold of a magic bat gun that shoots spell darts loaded with holy water or some damned thing.
No.
Sort of, for a bit. It didn't stick, and she got her old one back again.
Less food than had happened to Angie.
The crisis finally caught up with John, and he was rebooted. The series ended with a panel showing the much older looking Silver Age John looking unhappy in a pub.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 10:12 PM

I'll try my tack on a few of these, showing my view compared to Dog's:

1.)Milligan turned her in to a complete psycho. It was about as "woman hating" a tear-down of a once-strong female character as you can see in a work of fiction. Also, there were strong hints given that she may have developed repressed sexual feelings for her uncle John.

4.)She became a hairdresser. That's a good job for a woman to have. It's better than the job of a stripper that Gemma took up.

5.)John Constantine realized his comic was awful, and in an act of meta-fiction, Milligan had John become Bacchus, from the Eddie Campbell series. It was Milligan taking up the meta-commentary about Hellblazer from Ellis' Planetary series and turning it on its head. Rather than the egotistical outlook of Ellis, who felt that John Constantine should have evolved in to Spider Jerusalem, Milligan gave credit to a superior comic series that has gone overlooked for far too long. What should Hellblazer have become? It should have opened up the door to creative independent comic series getting more attention, instead of allowing the Hellblazer series to float aimlessly for years and years, before turning in to what it was under Milligan. I give Milligan credit for the humbleness it took to make such a statement in a published comic book.
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Posted 27 December 2014 - 10:33 PM

Gemma was not always a strong character, but had been left there by her experiences in Mike Carey's run and her friendship with Angie.
However, her demise started with Denise Mina (unless we want to be kind and explain Gemma's behaviour as side effect of the so-called Empathy Virus).
Milligan had her raped by her uncle's demon doppelganger.
She was like the opposite of his Mary Sue.

Epiphany was Shelly Bond's Mary Sue. Way to win over your editor, writer.

Christian's perspective on that #300 is incontrovertible.
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"But that's the whole point, it's supernatural, these things happen.
It's not supposed to be realistic in that sense."

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:22 PM

I totally forgot about Demon John raping Gemma.

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 05:55 AM

View PostA. Heathen, on 27 December 2014 - 10:33 PM, said:

Gemma was not always a strong character, but had been left there by her experiences in Mike Carey's run and her friendship with Angie.
However, her demise started with Denise Mina (unless we want to be kind and explain Gemma's behaviour as side effect of the so-called Empathy Virus).
Milligan had her raped by her uncle's demon doppelganger.
She was like the opposite of his Mary Sue.

Epiphany was Shelly Bond's Mary Sue. Way to win over your editor, writer.

Christian's perspective on that #300 is incontrovertible.

As in her crying over Chris Cole's corpse or everything from chs 2-5 with her suddenly flirting with the dolt? With the former, I chalked up to her finally letting it all out the tears over losing her mom.

Yes, Epiphany was Bond's Sue. Even to this day, I'm very disheartened by how she let Milligan fuck shit up on her watch (with or without he four headed Kraken plotting to kill off the book to usher in the bland New 52 impostor)
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Posted 25 August 2015 - 07:01 PM

Well, sorry for the bump but I figure I wouldn't be making it a new thread when there's one about Milligan already available.

I'm gonna be honest here: I really, really liked Milligan's run. It was the best since Carey's. And I totally dug John settling down just a bit but still getting shit blown up in his face. Really feel like the last half of the final issue was just added by editorial mandate to make it into an "ending".

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Posted 26 August 2015 - 03:35 AM

YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY

which couALL OF THEM

Nah it's refreshing to see someone enjoy it. You are of course wrong, though. You didn't like it. This is all some manner of bizarre fever dream, and soon you'll wake up and discover you never even read it.

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(Though this thread reminds me I need to read Suicide Bridge.)
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Posted 26 August 2015 - 11:21 AM

Maybe it reads better if you go through it in a run, rather than buying an issue then sitting around brooding at kicking the cat for a month while you wait for the next one? :tongue:

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:04 PM

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 10:11 PM

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