Fuckbiscuitshitangels (Warren Ellis)
Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:39 AM
JLU - Dark Heart : Finally got around to watching his episode of the JLU cartoon as it's pretty cool and has a handful of very Ellis scenes - the highlight being the Atom catching a rest after a scrap and spouting some pure Warren dialogue. Very straight forward stuff : a pulsating, metallic yet organic alien heart lands on top of a mountain and starts birthing robotic spiders and tiger-like creatures. Cue a massive scrap involving dozens of heroes trying to contain the creatures while the Atom invades the heart to look for a means of shutting it down.
Batman (while falling through the air) : I need air support.
Batman : Now.
Batman : On account of not being able to fly.
Batman : At all.
Ocean #1 & #2 : I'm not a subscriber to Warren's "Golly Gee Whiz Isn't Space Super!" line of thinking but I liked this - UN arm's inspector investigates an alien weapon's cache...which has just been fired up by Microsoft! It's five issues long and feels better paced then the three issue minis he did a few years back. Could all still go terribly wrong but enjoying it so far.
Posted 07 December 2004 - 08:59 PM
I thought Iron Man was good too.
Posted 07 December 2004 - 09:01 PM
Frank ironwine was pretty good too, and it seems his Ultimate FF is starting to read like a semi-normal comic again...
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 12:29 AM
I've spoken about Ironwine before, thought it was groovy and would love some more, my favourite Ellis book in yonks.
Posted 08 December 2004 - 01:17 AM
I'm also still very fond of "Planetary". Ellis went off-track for a bit with this whole "Four" story-line, but it's still one of the best comics currently on the market, IMO.
Besides that, I've been trying to avoid new Ellis work like the plague! "Orbiter" was the last straw for me, and "Ultimate Nightmare" was just way too much for me! I lost a lot of respect for Ellis as a writer with those two projects, plus I've said countless times, "I love space, let's all love it together" stories every month make me so sick!
--Robert Anton Wilson
Posted 08 December 2004 - 01:49 AM
I'm down with Iron Man, Global Frequency (shame it's over), a few shorties like Red and Tokyo Storm Warning, and Strange Killings.
Wozza's slipped up a couple of times but his fuck ups are still better than some folks best days.
Posted 08 December 2004 - 01:54 AM
That's all it takes to get you to drop your draw(ers), John?
Posted 08 December 2004 - 06:38 AM
Ironwine has the Ellis wacko humor, which can be fun or inappropriate. Otherwise, I'm not a big fan of detective stories. I need to reread #1 because I'm truly not sure how I feel about this one.
Ironman is a character that I keep wanting to like, but until now he hasn't done much that's interested me. In Ellis' newest version of the book, the story about the guy with the weird injection didn't intrigue me at all, but the characterization stuff about Tony Stark did. He comes across like someone who could be a big player in corporate high tech today, and not just some colorless pirahna like Andy Grove or Bill Gates, either. I do find myself interested in this guy who had the guts to be interviewed by someone he had every reason to believe would do a hackjob on him. The bar scene with his new woman friend is also strong. His conversation with his secretary is a bit like Ellis' own personality jumping into Stark's head as he wakes up in the garage, so it wasn't quite so convincing for me since it clashed with the writing in the other two scenes. I have no idea how much longer I'll keep buying the book, but there is hope for a worthwhile new take on the character.
Ocean seems to be a good story but I'm a bit unhappy that Ellis took two issues to get where he should have in one. More specifically, the last scene of issue #2 and the dialogue leading up to it should have been at the end of the first issue. I've now gotten quite nervous about decompression in anything Ellis writes, which doesn't helped me to enjoy his recent work.
Posted 10 December 2004 - 03:09 AM
No doubt Warren is a great guy, etc etc, but I gots two ongoing problems with his writing:
1. He's not good at structure or pacing.
2. His scripts are padded and under-written.
I thought Iron Man 1 had overcome the latter problem - in fact I thought Adi Granov was the perfect collaborator for Warren, because when Warren tries to fill a whole page with three panels, Adi makes it worth the price of admission. I thought, not a lot happened in that issue, but it was still much better than Warren's usual.
But then John had to go and point out that Iron Man 1 was a double issue, which I hadn't noticed. Hmm.
Does Granov's art remind anyone else of The Trigan Empire?
Posted 10 December 2004 - 06:28 AM
Also, you have to remember that this was Ellis' first issue of a brand-new "Iron Man"! Ellis spent the issue introducing us to Tony Stark and working on characterization. I felt that Ellis did a great job of this! Plus, he gave us the beginnings of a new plot with the black goop. There's a lot of info given us in this one issue.
Would you have been happier if Tony Stark immediately put on armour, went out and found that a chemical industry was involved with something crooked, he finds out the industries' dark secret, he goes on the trail and beats up some people to find out where the thugs with the chemical are at, he goes to the warehouse, busts down the door, beats up the thugs and has a big battle with the black goop covered thing?
Lots might happen, I guess....but we would have no idea who Tony Stark is, what his motivations are, why we should cheer him other than that he's called "Iron Man"....
I commend Warren Ellis for issue #1. Now, #2 may ruin all this because not much still might happen! But, I'm one of Ellis' harshest critics because I feel the guy has become a hack since the end of Transmet; so I'm not one of Ellis' big fans who supports any crap he puts out.
--Robert Anton Wilson
Posted 10 December 2004 - 11:48 AM
Posted 12 December 2004 - 12:01 PM
Maybe I'm weird, but I liked the conference call and switchover to dealing with his new girlfriend (and not coincidentally the injected guy subplot). It may not be the wisest way to go with the character (only time will tell), but I've got to give Ellis and Marvel credit for trying something new.
Posted 12 December 2004 - 04:17 PM
Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:00 PM
Posted 29 December 2004 - 11:07 PM
Anyway, I've had to rescind previous oaths about the quality of his writing. He has at least earned a little rope.
Posted 30 December 2004 - 05:21 AM
"Planetary" seems to be the only book Ellis can write anymore! And, I do adore "Planetary" very much, mind.
I was starting to warm up the guy again, after the embarrassment of "Orbiter" and "Ultimate Nightmare", with his "Iron Man" series. #1 was very impressive, but #2 is pretty much the exact same things that happened in #1!!! Where was the plot advancement?! #1 was a freakin' double-sized issued for Shiva's sake!!! This is a freakin' 6-part story-line!!! SOMETHING should happen in #2!
--Robert Anton Wilson
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