slinker, on 16 July 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:
Whenever they post an image as "proof" he was bi, it's always the John and Stanley kissing pic. I just want to yell "Turn the page, John is beating the fuck out of Stanley with a whip and enjoying it because he hates Stanley. He's conning him as a revenge plot! Turn the bloody page!"
I don't remember which one of you wrote it, but I agree that the issue to them is that bi-characters don't get fair representation on TV and that's really what they are upset about because John is cool, people love to identify with him. But in fairness, bisexuality is not fairly nor is it accurately represented in Hellblazer, either. By his actions in the one story in which we see him engaging in a bisexual relationship, deviant and negative are accurate terms, while positive, unique, loving all are terms you couldn't possibly use. They are mistaken, like many southern christians who go to church and hear what a preacher says the bible says but never read the bible themselves. They go by what this one person said and get all angry just as the preacher does. Approves what the preacher approves and shows hate for what the preacher hates. This is too similar to the John is bi craze. Few of them have read it, and if they post the John/Manor pics, they definitely did not read it.
is this straight washing or bi erasure?
I've pointed out, this happens all the time on the internet.
Put in the phrase, "Barack Obama says that all Christians will be sterilized." to Google. I bet you anything you'll get 10,000 hits and you'll see all sorts of people up in arms over this.
Did Obama say this? No.
Is this Obama's agenda? No.
The internet is a place where rumours get started and people get all bent out of shape, because they believe what they read on some web-site they frequent and don't do any fact-checking as to whether it's some thing to actually be concerned about or not.
Think of some thing even crazier if you don't believe me. How about "Satan and space aliens have created a pact to enforce a Communist world government, and all Republicans will be killed." Type it in Google, see what results you get. I bet you'll see some.
So, it's easy to imagine that, as I said, some one posted, "NBC has made it so that popular bi-sexual comic book icon John Constantine cannot be bi on TV show." And, then, every one gets angry, because it sounds like it's anti-gay. They didn't bother to do any fact-checking.
"Ashes and Dust" isn't as easy to define as you're making it though. It's homophobic, I do agree. But, it's not that John hates Manor. It's that John and Manor have a sexual appeal to each other, while at the same time, John hates Manor. It's Azzarello's views on the Batman/Joker dynamic also. Let's not forget that ludicrous bit of story-telling. That Batman and Joker secretly crave each other, while at the same time, they have a deep hatred for each other. The whips and stuff, they're in a S&M club. Manor is in to sado-masochism.
This whole idea that "John is just pulling a con on Manor"...it doesn't work. John is going really far to pull this con. It makes no sense. John has never been so elaborate in the lengths he's gone to to trick someone before. This isn't just a con. John does trick Manon in the end, but he's not just going through the motions sexually with Manor. There's a layer of sexual attraction underneath.
It does paint bi-sexuality as something disturbing and illicit though, I agree about that. It's not a positive portrayal.
But, this whole, "John was just fucking with Manor. It wasn't really sexual on his part." is at the level of, "I'm not bi-sexual. I just went through a phase where I was having sex with men, you know, just because."
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"Life is such a great disappointment."