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Posted 01 December 2006 - 11:52 PM

Some interesting insights into Preacher from Mark Steven Johnson
http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/12/01/mark-...talks-preacher/

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So, when I went into HBO I said very simply, here’s the comic, there’s seventy-five issues plus the four-issue Saint of Killers, every issue in an hour. It’s a six-year show. And HBO, God bless them, went, cool!



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Johnson goes on to say that he’d like to have guest directors, such as Kevin Smith and Robert Rodriguez.






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Posted 02 December 2006 - 12:34 AM

That has to be an exagerration because that's what every comic creator dreams about.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:19 PM

God! I can't wait.. shame that I'm still reading the comics and probably the series will start before I've read them all.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (Fredi @ Dec 2 2006, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God! I can't wait.. shame that I'm still reading the comics and probably the series will start before I've read them all.


I doubt it. This show will take a while to shoot/produce I think. Judging from the articles, its only just gotten a definite greenlight.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:36 PM

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So, when I went into HBO I said very simply, here’s the comic, there’s seventy-five issues plus the four-issue Saint of Killers, every issue in an hour. It’s a six-year show. And HBO, God bless them, went, cool!


Oh, great. So, that means they'll be keeping in all the shit bits which any sane adaptor would remove before the project was out of the planning stages, eh? Like, for example, almost every scene involving a gay character in the entire series? Or that story about the horse-eating Frenchman? Or Salvation, in its entirety?

And what kind of fucktarded logic results in one-hour-per-22-page-issue episodes, anyway? That's crazy-thinking.

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Johnson goes on to say that he’d like to have guest directors, such as Kevin Smith and Robert Rodriguez.


"He'd like to have" and "there will be" are far from the same thing.


Am I the only one who still isn't remotely excited about this show, then? It might just be my grouchiness talking - after the first couple of trades, I don't actually like Preacher very much - but I still can't see it making for a great TV show, especially not if it's adapted on a more-or-less straight "one issue=one show, and we're keeping all of it, even though Ennis himself has told us that we really don't need to" basis. Ah, well. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong, and then you can all laugh at me. Go on, I can take it.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (Mark @ Dec 2 2006, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Am I the only one who still isn't remotely excited about this show, then? It might just be my grouchiness talking -


Perhaps.... tongue.gif
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 04:21 PM

I too never really liked Preacher that that much.  It had its moments but I think I dropped the title three or four times during its run out of lack of interest.  Despite the "mature" label on the covers, I never really found it to be that.  It always kind of felt that none of the characters acted like real people and they all talked like Garth Ennis.  I think it's popularity among young men springs from the fact that the title has that sort of adolescent idea of what would be considered shocking in a comic.  Fucking animals, sadistic violence, and having God bite out someone's eye, etc. always felt like Ennis was attempting to shock the mommies and daddies of his worldview than they were actual interesting concepts.

Plus I always found Steve Dillon to be a boring artist.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 05:21 PM

I really enjoyed reading Preacher month to month as it was published but as time has gone on I like it less and less.

The idea that the TV show should be a direct translation of every single issue is retarded let alone the idea that 1 issue = 1 tv episode.

The material is too sparse for that. Some story arcs could be beefed up a little with more material but some ought to be dropped entirely. I reckon that there's not more than 2-3 seasons worth of material in the Preacher comics.

I'd be interested to see a HBO Preacher series but I'm not giddy in anticipation of it.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 06:46 PM

This is just off the top of my head, but I'd break it down into vaguely this sort of structure:

- Season One: Gone To Texas and Until The End Of The World. Introduces the characters, gives plenty of backstory, sets up the world with some decent mid-level action. If the show flops, it won't have cost them an absolute fortune to make. It'd be possible to spin Jesse's final confrontation with his Grandma into a reasonable conclusion to a self-contained season, too, while still leaving things open to continuation if it's a success.


- Season Two: Proud Americans, a few bits of Dixie Fried, and War In The Sun.
Rescuing Cassidy from the Grail in France, leading into his backstory and a fuller explanation of the Grail's true nature. Culminating with Jesse's 'death' in an action-packed season finale, complete with killer cliffhanger. Lose the Anne-Rice-parody N'Awlins vampires entirely, and possibly save Herr Starr's backstory for the third season, to keep the middle season's arc more tightly focused on Cassidy, and also to provide a bit more 'oomph' to the otherwise slightly lacklustre final confrontation between Jesse and Starr in Season Three.

-Season Three: All Hell's A-Coming and Alamo, bulked out with bits of backstory taken from earlier trades, including Starr's origins and the Saint Of Killers special.
Speaks for itself, really - Jesse and Tulip reunited, Tulip's history, final confrontations all-round, and the big finish. I'd probably shuffle some of the action around a bit though, so that Season Two can still end with Jesse's plane-diving self-sacrifice, but holding back on some of the epic action of War In The Sun to provide a bit more spectacle for the final season, if at all possible. That may not be achievable, though.


People who remember/care about Preacher rather more than me could probably come up with something a lot better than that, but as a basic plan of attack, that makes considerable sense to me. There's certainly nothing like the "six years' worth" of material Johnson seems to be counting on, at any rate.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 06:56 PM

That would be perfect; because if it got axed after the first season I would've already seen my favorite story arc.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 06:58 PM

Johnson is counting on doing all of the backstory/minis, but that is still not six years' worth.  At most four, but that's including weak stuff like Salvation and Naked City.
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"No I'll tell you what's gonna happen, she can take half your shit man. She can take half your car, half the trailer park, half your video game, she can even take half your cigarettes Ricky."

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 07:08 PM

I think the real strength of the 3-season arc I broke down above (and again, it would almost certainly need to be subject to some reworking - I really don't remember the precise details of the over-arching plot of the series clearly enough to come up with a more detailed synopsis) is that it keeps the focus tightly on the central cast, with each season focusing on them in sequence - first Jesse, then Cassidy, and finally Tulip. That's more or less the way Ennis did it too, so it'd still be faithful to the thematic core of the series, without inflexibly hanging on to a whole slew of largely sub-par material which really isn't all that necessary for the purposes of a TV narrative anyway.
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Posted 03 December 2006 - 02:14 AM

It could be six years easy . HBO only does 13 episode seasons .

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 02:46 AM

It won't go its full run, come on, fellas! HBO gets bored QUICK with its series or the creators take a powder (CARNIVALE, anyone? DEADWOOD?)

Even if it rocks the universe, I'm predicting 3 years at the most and probably it will do 2. If they remain faithful to the plotline, not enough people will 'get it.'

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 03:57 PM

it would be grerat if it did run for 6 years so all of the isues could be done.....but im afraid what has been said on here is gonna be true. HBO may just decide that after 3 years to call it quits and skip the last story arc just to finish it up.
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Posted 04 December 2006 - 05:06 AM

I found Preacher so overrated. I started reading it thinking it would be the greatest thing ever, but as I progressed through the trades, I became disappointed. The first two trades are really good, though, and I might be interested in this HBO series if they cut out the crappy useless stuff. I really hope they don't try to stretch it to six seasons, because it'll be very little action each season and cancelled, too.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 06:03 AM

Coralys, you will follow Mark and Andy to the bitch box. Promptly!

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 06:06 AM

Agreed.  Come on kids: accentuate the positive!
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"No I'll tell you what's gonna happen, she can take half your shit man. She can take half your car, half the trailer park, half your video game, she can even take half your cigarettes Ricky."

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 06:14 AM

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 10:17 AM

The one issue per episode thing is nuts and will, I'm sure, be dropped pretty early on.

I like Mark's plan, but I think that there's not really enough in the first couple of books to sustain 12/13 episodes, which seems to be HBO's usual season length. So here's what I'd do (bear in mind I haven't read Preacher for about four years and am trying to avoid it so I can forget what happened and enjoy it afresh)...

Season One
Episodes 1-3; the first half of Gone to Texas (4 issues)
Episodes 4-5; the Reaver-Cleaver story (3 issues)
Episode 6; Tulip's backstory from the penultimate volume (2 issues)
Episodes 7-9; All in the Family (5 issues)
Episodes 10-12; the sex detectives and Cassidy's kidnapping (5 issues)

That would leave the series with a cliffhanger, but with the option to rewrite the last couple of episodes if it's cancelled.

Season Two
Episode 1; One Man's War (the Starr special)
Episodes 2-4; Jesse v The Grail (6 issues)
Episode 5-6; Cassidy's transformation/arrival in New York/meeting 'Lestwat' (2 issues plus the Cassidy special, with a bit of padding and introing the voodoo guy from Dixie Fried)
Episode 7-9; (6 very thin-on-plot issues: Dixie Fried, but with Amy's role bumped up a bit - obviously that would mean relocating her from New York though)
Episode 10; (One-off episode showing Starr operating as the new Allfather, could be culled from All Hell's A-Comin', except the dog takes his foot, not his cock)
Episodes 11-12 (The Saint of Killers mini, bookended by Jesse telling Cassidy and Tulip what he saw in the trance. Ends with Jesse saying God killed the Saint's family)

Season Three
Episodes 1-2; War in the Sun (4 issues; ends with Jesse falling out of the plane)
Episode 3; Cassidy and Tulip, Starr v cannibals - except they eat the remains of his leg with his cock and balls (2 issues combined)
Episode 4; Jesse and Jonny Lee Wombat; Arseface v fame; the road to Salvation (1 issue, with elements from other issues in All Hell's A-Comin' and Salvation)
Episodes 5-7; bits of Salvation: Quincannon + KKK, Jesse as Sheriff, the return of Jesse's mum, end with Jesse's vision after the plane fall. Arseface seen on TV a bit (8 cocking issues!)
Episode 8; Jesse and Tulip reunited, Arseface's fall from Graceland (1 issue + bits of others)
Episode 9; Jesse finds out about Cassidy, confronts him at the end and tells him to fuck off (bits of 3 issues)
Episodes 10-12; Alamo, but considerably shorter (7 issues)

This way you get all of the important character info for Jesse and Tulip up front, saving Cassidy's backstory to the second season (which is fine, because the fans will like him and want to learn more. Starr's backstory is in the second season to make him a little less cartoonishly evil and because it would feel irrelevant if left till later on).

The other advantage with this order is that the action ramps up from season to season - gunfights and fistfights in season one, the Masada assault and cemetary gunfight (which can be made more impressive if required) in season two and then all-out cowboy v tanks, Jesse v God and cowboy v angels excitement for season three. The only massive problem that I can see is that there might not be enough to fill out the third season but I'm sure they can come up with some original stuff by then.

Notable absences: That one about cattle rustling (shit), lots of Salvation (shit), Good Ol' Boys (too expensive and irrelevant), all of the stories about Jesse's dad (irrelevant - just have Jesse mention growing up with his mother's tales of how his daddy was a war hero), the dull bits from All Hell's a-Comin' and the story about Starr v his mentor (both unneccessary padding, though I'm in favour of working the dog/cock disaster in there somehow).

Notable additions/changes: Some kind of explanation for where the hell the vampires came from, putting Tulip's and Starr's stories earlier on in the show where they're actually relevant and needed, and working relevant bits of The Story of You-Know-Who into Arseface's life as a rock star (either as flashbacks or as part of a documentary on him).




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