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#321 seventhcircle

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:56 AM

man i was grinning at my friend about the angel shot by the saint:
you know he is dead right, as in actually not coming back?
yeah cause gods away.
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 10:56 AM

Episode 9 seems to have been custom-designed to make me hate the show and everyone in it. Seth Rogen can suck my cock.

Even if he does, I'll probably still be pissed off at him for bringing this nihilistic shit into the world.

I wish he'd told us ahead of time that the whole thing would be just another one of his sardonic eye-rolls. I mean, say what you will about the sappy sentimentality of the books - at least it's a fucking ethos.

Or, whatever, fine. Be hip and detached and ironic and refuse to believe in anything. Make a show that might as well just be a two-second clip of you saying "Iunno?" looped into eternity. But do you think maybe we could also have a single character who isn't totally vile*? Do you think we could stop pretending that a tone-deaf atrocity parade counts as good film-making, good writing, or pretty much anything other than a huge glaring mark against humanity as a general concept? Do you think we could make Preacher great again?

So yeah, for someone who enjoys a lot of hyper-violent media, I'm really inclined to turning on shows as soon as they start smearing the screen with gratuitous, hateful violence and acting like they're above it all. The show's always struggled with tone when it comes to extreme violence, often thinking it counts as a punchline, but I'm trying to think of any way that the Ratwater massacre could've been portrayed that might have been more tasteless, exploitative or adolescently smug than the way this episode did it. I'm failing. The closest I can think of is if maybe they played it over and over, ad fucking nauseum, only no - the show went and did that, didn't it? Because an injection of mind-numbing tedium is exactly what we need after nine episodes of the world's slowest plot development. That'll really kick things into gear.

I'm thinking probably fuck this shit. It's less Preacher than it is Crossed. And I don't mean the Garth Ennis Crossed, I mean the bad Crossed.

...I suppose I'll try and watch 10 at some point, just like I'll try to get this sore tooth of mine looked at by a dentist at some point. So, grudgingly, and possibly as a hostage.

-Gwi "Worst. Episode. Ever" lym

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that my recent onset of massive depression may well have contributed to my negative response to the episode, but to be honest I prefer to believe I'm doing god's work and self-righteous internet ranting will lead us all to the promised land

*OR if you absolutely insist on doing the big shocking emotional point-of-no-return moment, maybe earn it? Make it seem like the characters are doing it, rather than just being puppets to your random whims? Jesse Pinkman didn't tearfully kill a man because he realised he'd wandered into a bad adaptation of Hellraiser. There was an actual build-up, with thoughts and emotions and everything. It was wild. You should watch that show. It might even give you an idea for a scene you can recreate, shot-for-shot, for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 03:56 AM

 Gwilym, on 09 August 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

Episode 9 seems to have been custom-designed to make me hate the show and everyone in it. Seth Rogen can suck my cock.

Even if he does, I'll probably still be pissed off at him for bringing this nihilistic shit into the world.

I wish he'd told us ahead of time that the whole thing would be just another one of his sardonic eye-rolls. I mean, say what you will about the sappy sentimentality of the books - at least it's a fucking ethos.

Or, whatever, fine. Be hip and detached and ironic and refuse to believe in anything. Make a show that might as well just be a two-second clip of you saying "Iunno?" looped into eternity. But do you think maybe we could also have a single character who isn't totally vile*? Do you think we could stop pretending that a tone-deaf atrocity parade counts as good film-making, good writing, or pretty much anything other than a huge glaring mark against humanity as a general concept? Do you think we could make Preacher great again?

So yeah, for someone who enjoys a lot of hyper-violent media, I'm really inclined to turning on shows as soon as they start smearing the screen with gratuitous, hateful violence and acting like they're above it all. The show's always struggled with tone when it comes to extreme violence, often thinking it counts as a punchline, but I'm trying to think of any way that the Ratwater massacre could've been portrayed that might have been more tasteless, exploitative or adolescently smug than the way this episode did it. I'm failing. The closest I can think of is if maybe they played it over and over, ad fucking nauseum, only no - the show went and did that, didn't it? Because an injection of mind-numbing tedium is exactly what we need after nine episodes of the world's slowest plot development. That'll really kick things into gear.

I'm thinking probably fuck this shit. It's less Preacher than it is Crossed. And I don't mean the Garth Ennis Crossed, I mean the bad Crossed.

...I suppose I'll try and watch 10 at some point, just like I'll try to get this sore tooth of mine looked at by a dentist at some point. So, grudgingly, and possibly as a hostage.

-Gwi "Worst. Episode. Ever" lym

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that my recent onset of massive depression may well have contributed to my negative response to the episode, but to be honest I prefer to believe I'm doing god's work and self-righteous internet ranting will lead us all to the promised land

*OR if you absolutely insist on doing the big shocking emotional point-of-no-return moment, maybe earn it? Make it seem like the characters are doing it, rather than just being puppets to your random whims? Jesse Pinkman didn't tearfully kill a man because he realised he'd wandered into a bad adaptation of Hellraiser. There was an actual build-up, with thoughts and emotions and everything. It was wild. You should watch that show. It might even give you an idea for a scene you can recreate, shot-for-shot, for absolutely no reason whatsoever.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:21 PM

Well this is good.
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Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:35 AM

I'm going to save up all of the second season and binge through it - the first was a little rough in places but the casting's great and it's definitely got that Preacher vibe down.
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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:35 PM

http://www.amc.com/p...er360/360-tour/

Seriously.
They even have Jazz sussed.
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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:03 AM

I see the Axis and Allies boardgame in the "young Jesse's room".
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 12:52 AM

It is a fairly broadstrokes adaptation and yet everything about it I feel could have been done by Garf.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 07:48 AM

So I'm curious, how much have they changed ?

Also if they do change anything, can they maybe nerf the Saint a tad ? Cause he was so absurdly overpowered in the original series where the only way to propperly describe it is bad writing.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:11 AM

i concur: the saint is the embodiment of hate. hate is unrelenting, overwhelming and powerful beyond reason. it can under some circumstances be appeased by love for a time at least and the saint does not have any love left to give,
does he? so the only thing to defeat him is to throw a ridiculous high bodycount at him to exhaust him. which basically is how the series ends.

and to answer your question. they have changed a lot. they still haven't been on the road so far and yet some of the story-arcs have taken place already in some way. and herr starr (or any of his associates) have not appeared yet as far as i remember. also the overall tone of the series is a lot more slap-sticky.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:31 PM

View Postseventhcircle, on 27 July 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

i concur: the saint is the embodiment of hate. hate is unrelenting, overwhelming and powerful beyond reason. it can under some circumstances be appeased by love for a time at least and the saint does not have any love left to give,
does he? so the only thing to defeat him is to throw a ridiculous high bodycount at him to exhaust him. which basically is how the series ends.

and to answer your question. they have changed a lot. they still haven't been on the road so far and yet some of the story-arcs have taken place already in some way. and herr starr (or any of his associates) have not appeared yet as far as i remember. also the overall tone of the series is a lot more slap-sticky.

Such as ? : O

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 01:02 PM

arseface is there from the start and has already made some ergh trips, that werent in the comic.
the salvation arc is already finished in most parts.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:05 PM

View Postseventhcircle, on 27 July 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

i concur: the saint is the embodiment of hate. hate is unrelenting, overwhelming and powerful beyond reason. it can under some circumstances be appeased by love for a time at least and the saint does not have any love left to give,
does he? so the only thing to defeat him is to throw a ridiculous high bodycount at him to exhaust him. which basically is how the series ends.
I'd question that, actually. The comic series deliberately sets him up as a foil to Jesse's happy ending. He needs to be pretty ruined as a person to work in that role given some of the ghastly crap in the protagonist's backstory and the comic's storyline.
(Also, another dig at God, obvs.)

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:25 PM

View Postseventhcircle, on 28 July 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

arseface is there from the start and has already made some ergh trips, that werent in the comic.
the salvation arc is already finished in most parts.

......Seriously now ?

Have they even bothered to do Angelville for one ? My guess is no.

And really, they're gonna bring this up now, and not later in the story when Custer is supposed to drift there as a broken man, both physically and mentally, and kind of be tempted to stay by finding his mother there, alive and mostly well, among other, very nice things ?

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:16 PM

Nah.
That's the Comic.
This is a lovely work on the theme.
And fun.

Proves what Hellblazer could have been.
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