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#61 Rogan

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 08:02 PM

An interview with Milligan regarding JLD :


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Milligan is also bringing a few characters with him from the Flashpoint: Secret Seven mini-series, including Shade the Changing Man, Enchantress and Zatanna.

Probably most significant among the new team's members is the inclusion of Mindwarp, the character that Milligan created specifically for his Flashpoint tie-in. The character has never been seen in the regular DCU -- only the Flashpoint universe -- but she is apparently being carried over after the end of the Flashpoint to now be part of the DCnU.


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Nrama: The book isn't just Constantine. You've got a whole team of supernatural characters. What appealed to you about the premise?

Milligan: It was the “dark” bit that really appealed to me. The idea of taking these characters and this kind of story into some dark places. That doesn’t always or necessarily mean supernatural black magic dark. It can mean emotionally dark. A messed up confused kind of dark. The basic screwed up human condition transplanted onto a superhero/supernatural comic.

Nrama: Did you come up with the team or did DC? And can you describe at all the ideas behind those characters who are included?

Milligan: We had discussions and slowly boiled down the team we were all happy with. Obviously I’m the writer, so if there was someone mentioned whom I felt no connection with or felt really didn’t add to what we were trying to do, then I had a veto (at least, I think I had a veto!). There were some characters I really wanted in there. Shade. Constantine. And my new character Mindwarp. I also enjoyed writing June Moone and Enchantress in Flashpoint: Secret Seven and wanted to have the opportunity to travel further into that strange, bifurcated landscape.


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When I was thinking about these characters, the analogy that formed in my head was with cops. The fact that many cops have ruined marriages and drink or have drug problems. Are, in fact, a mess. Our characters are laden with these insane powers – I’m interested how that affects their lives. How do they cope? What about their loved ones? How the hell do they cope?

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 08:52 PM

View PostJames, on 18 June 2011 - 02:18 PM, said:

Or as DC's answer to Marvel's Hercules. There are already a load of brooding or serious characters in the JLA. Having someone who provides comic value without being a flippant comedy character (ie. The Flash) would really add something to the whole affair.


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Posted 19 June 2011 - 09:07 PM

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When I was thinking about these characters, the analogy that formed in my head was with television cops. The fact that many TV cops have ruined marriages and drink or have drug problems. Are, in fact, a mess. ...
Fixed that for you, Pete. :smile:

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:10 AM

View PostJasonT, on 19 June 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

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When I was thinking about these characters, the analogy that formed in my head was with television cops. The fact that many TV cops have ruined marriages and drink or have drug problems. Are, in fact, a mess. ...
Fixed that for you, Pete. :smile:

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 01:15 PM

Hah! Nailed it, JasonT, that's why i plucked out that quote - John's friends and family don't suffer because he's out there saving the universe, they suffer because he's a scheming manipulative little bastard who, admittedly, means well.


Oh, and it seems that cover we've seen most likely won't be the cover to JLD #1.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:20 PM

So, Zatanna replaced Hawkman, not the other way round?

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And John's smoke making the Brightest Day/White Lantern logo is really cheesy.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 03:17 PM

That is one shockingly ugly cover logo.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:11 PM

Fucking ugly cover.

But also a missed open goal.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:30 PM

Say, that got me thinking, where's the Phantom Stranger in all this? Or are we done with him?
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:33 PM

He'll be to JLD what John Constantine was to Swamp Thing, is my guess. He is so mysterious, broody, dark, and he cannot have a friend, or belong to a group, for he must always remain... a Stranger!
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:34 PM

When did the Phantom Stranger last turn up in any story, DC or Vertigo? Carey's Staring at the Wall?

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 03:32 AM

Hmmm....No....
He showed up in the Vertigo Madame Xanadu series.
There was also a Blackest Night one-shot for him (I didn't read it).
I think that's it.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 09:04 PM

Another interview with Milligan -
Milligan Taps Into His "(Justice League) Dark" Side
http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=32919

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I see this book as being placed somewhere between a regular DCU book and a Vertigo title. It has superpowers and villains and a lot of cool stuff like that, but at the same time takes an adult look at the emotional fall-out from living this kind of life.

If, when he said that, his tongue wasn't so far into his cheek that his face inverted, I'll be very disappointed.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 09:47 PM

The Shade we see in DCU is a continuation of the one I wrote in my series. His obsession with Kathy is intact!



So, Shade can hop to and fro when it comes to VertigoU/DCU?
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:27 PM

I wouldn't say that exactly, as I think Shade will now be a DCU character and not appear at Vertigo anymore.
In the Secret Seven series, in a very bad way, Milligan does make the point that Shade can travel through the dimensions, so it plays off of that.
DC aren't saying that Swamp Thing or Constantine or Animal Man (for that matter) aren't the same characters as from the Vertigo books, they're more playing with time at the new DCU. This is a younger Constantine, so while the Vertigo universe moved at the same rate of speed as our time, in DCU time John is still back as the character he was in earliest issues of Hellblazer (or wherever you want to put the time brake).
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 03:49 AM

View PostChristian, on 22 June 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

DC aren't saying that Swamp Thing or Constantine or Animal Man (for that matter) aren't the same characters as from the Vertigo books

Yes they are.

I'm guessing that, in much the same way, DCU Shade and Vertigo Shade will be identical, parallel characters. I just hope Milligan is allowed to (and wants to) wrap up the Kathy/Shade stuff featured in Hellblazer. She's still in that Hell cubicle with Troy Grenzer, right?

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:35 PM

Members of this forum predicted Justice League Dark, Search for Swamp Thing et al back in 2006.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:08 PM

Personally, reading that page, I just miss the mystic panther.
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Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:13 PM

They stole the idea for The Mystic Panther form this forum as well, though during production they Constantinized it.... and that is how the movie Mystic Pizza came to be.
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Posted 27 June 2011 - 11:04 PM

SO Dark :


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