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#21 JasonT

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 12:29 AM

I'm not even into Hellblazer. I'd have dropped it during Reasons To Be Cheerful if not for the upcoming change of writer.

But don't listen to me — I don't even see the appeal of Y, The Last Man. icon_smile.gif

I guess I'm kinda over comics. I don't mean that in a snotty comics-are-for-kids way — it's just that comics are so damn expensive these days that I expect more than just throwaway entertainment from them.

On that note: yeah Mark, where are you getting your, um, preview pages?  icon_smile.gif

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 12:50 AM

"Y:The Last Man" has always bored me.
I never got into "100 Bullets", not my thing.
I like "Fables", but not enough to buy it anymore.
Don't even bring up the new "Swamp Thing" or "BookKs of MagicK" with me.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:31 PM

I'm, enjoying DMZ and The Exterminators has got me sufficiently intrigued to buy the next few issues, even if the "comedy" relies more on stock oddball caricatures than actual proper jokes.

Testament did nothing for me and neither did Loveless.

Still, we've got a Mike Carey miniseries and ongoing yet to come, haven't we? And Ennis might - just might - start City Lights sometime in the next 12 months, if we're all very, very lucky.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:38 PM

Steve Dillon is doing art on the new Wolverine comic, so I don't think we'll be getting City Lights anytime soon.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (JohnMcMahon @ Jan 16 2006, 05:38 PM)
Steve Dillon is doing art on the new Wolverine comic, so I don't think we'll be getting City Lights anytime soon.


What? Whose idea was that? Unless it's Logan sitting around chatting with people, they're hardly playing to Dillon's strengths.

Okay, so Until the End of the World-era Dillon did some solid fight scenes, but he's gone rapidly downhill since then.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (James @ Jan 16 2006, 04:42 PM)
Unless it's Logan sitting around chatting with people, they're hardly playing to Dillon's strengths.


Agreed
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (JohnMcMahon @ Jan 16 2006, 05:48 PM)
QUOTE (James @ Jan 16 2006, 04:42 PM)
Unless it's Logan sitting around chatting with people, they're hardly playing to Dillon's strengths.


Agreed


It's amazing how a good colouring job can make Dillon's art look like proper Marvel work. Shame he chose Chin #3 (Saint of Killers) for Wolverine, though. I always saw Wolvy as having Chin #2 (Jesse Custer).

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:57 PM

On the plus side, he's meant to be a quick penciller and to have started City Lights ages ago, so maybe we'll see it sometime this year.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 05:44 PM

Blimey, that looks shit. He was totally unsuited to the Ultimates Annual a few months back, too - don't Marvel have any talking-heads-based books they could put him on? He'd be the perfect artist for Bendis, one suspects...

DMZ hasn't wowed me yet, but I'm sufficiently intrigued by the concept that it may yet win me over. Issue #1 of The Exterminators was rubbish,  can't see myself continuing with it.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 07:17 PM

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What? Whose idea was that? Unless it's Logan sitting around chatting with people, they're hardly playing to Dillon's strengths.

Okay, so Until the End of the World-era Dillon did some solid fight scenes, but he's gone rapidly downhill since then.
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The Writer (Daniel Way) has been very forthcoming about the fact that Wolverine (or Wolverine: Origins, as the new book will be entitled) needs to be an action book, and that component  has been neglected with the more philosophical approach that both Greg Rucka and Mark Millar (!) took with the book.

His approach seems to be more in the ‘After regaining all his memories at once,  James Logan takes issues with anybody who even looked at him wrong, whilst occasionally having flashbacks’ school of thought.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (Gordon @ Jan 16 2006, 08:17 PM)
The Writer (Daniel Way) has been very forthcoming about the fact that Wolverine (or Wolverine: Origins, as the new book will be entitled) needs to be an action book, and that component  has been neglected with the more philosophical approach that both Greg Rucka and Mark Millar (!) took with the book.


The fuck? Millar's whole run was one long action set-piece. Daniel Way is either Captain Disingenuous, utterly deluded, or taking the piss.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 10:40 PM

Ah, comics fans. Sure, they start talking about Vertigo, but pretty much it all boils down to Wolverine, eh? icon_wink.gif
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 10:44 PM

......uh, yeah. I'm thinking Way didn't bother to read Millar's run.
"Wolverine:Origins"....ah, that brings back memories of an action book. Rich boy sits around a Victorian mansion pining after red-headed girl.....

"- don't Marvel have any talking-heads-based books they could put him on"
No, Marvel don't have any of these books anymore. "Son of M" and "Generation M" are probably the closest Marvel gets anymore.
Although, nothing ever really seems to happen in Peter Milligan's "X-Men" either, now that I think about it.
Anyway, I think Marvel are just picking up random names along the way and putting them on random books and hoping they sell, as Marvel's books look like a real mess when you look at most of the creative teams.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (Mark @ Jan 16 2006, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Gordon @ Jan 16 2006, 08:17 PM)
The Writer (Daniel Way) has been very forthcoming about the fact that Wolverine (or Wolverine: Origins, as the new book will be entitled) needs to be an action book, and that component  has been neglected with the more philosophical approach that both Greg Rucka and Mark Millar (!) took with the book.


The fuck? Millar's whole run was one long action set-piece. Daniel Way is either Captain Disingenuous, utterly deluded, or taking the piss.


Exactly, I vividly recall an entire issue of Mark Millar’s Wolverine run that was Matt Murdock beating the fuck out of Logan and a Cadre of The Hand in a spectacularly one sided fashion.

Back on topic, the first Loveless trade has been scheduled for April, which is fast even by Vertigo/Azzerello standards.

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 05:07 PM

My take is....

Exterminators #1 - Utter shite.
Testament  #1 - Potentially great.
Loveless #1 & #2 - Loving it.
DMZ - Pretty good.

Exterminators and DMZ seem to be getting most positive noises from people but I think they are the weaker of the four.

DMZ is still one I intend to read though, it has the potential to start boring me if it doesn't keep up some sort of pace and develop in an interesting way.

Loveless has got off to a very strong start in my opinion. I got hooked by the sample in a Hellblazer issue, I wouldn't have picked up a comic by Azarello if they hadn't forced it under my nose like that.

Testament. Well this one is on probation, I think I'll give it ten issues maximum to grip me.

Exterminators. I really didn't like this one. A comic about morons killing rodents and insects is not really my thing. I'm glad I downloaded this to check out instead of buying it. It is now deleted.

I am looking forward to Mike Carey's new series if it appears before the end of this year too, and also Bite Club looks interesting. Hellblazer has a new writer who I think might take a very fresh perspective and I am optimistic even though we lost Mike Carey. Neverwhere continues for a few more issues.

I think Vertigo looks pretty healthy even if it is probably lacking something of the brilliance of Sandman, Preacher or Transmetropolitan after Lucifer ends.

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Posted 18 January 2006 - 01:55 AM

I'm with Josh on this one. None of the books were particularly compelling, though I very much like the art in DMZ.

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Posted 18 January 2006 - 11:53 AM

Am I the only person round here who's seriously enjoying DMZ? Seems like everyone else is kind of undecided on it, but I'm delighted with it, personally.

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Posted 18 January 2006 - 11:55 AM

Me too.
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 12:46 PM

Not to be a cheeky bugger or anything but did you ever post out that second issue of Local, Ade ?
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (TomC @ Jan 18 2006, 11:53 AM)
Am I the only person round here who's seriously enjoying DMZ? Seems like everyone else is kind of undecided on it, but I'm delighted with it, personally.


Ade’s fairly unequivocal in his appreciation of DMZ, as was I, before I started writing a lengthy review of it. hopefully I’ll be back to enthusiastically appreciating it soon.

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