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Since its Gaiman and Spurrier, I trust their word deeply compared to Oliver (and I wished he was given Swamp Thing instead of them putting the old guard in Len Wein for it to get the Abby stuff sorted out and close the damned Djinn shite there) and Seeley did fine despite the shoehorned capes and poor art after Merino.

4 hours ago, A. Heathen said:

An excellent man for the job, let's hope that Sandman Universe thing can save the day again.

 

(it would totally amuse me to have all the different Constantines turn out to be bad dreams caused by Milligan's Bullet.)

Shiiit. I'd take those 4 years as a coma dream at this point 

1 hour ago, Christian said:

Si Spurrier is a good choice. I can't see him being anything worse than what we saw on HB comics since the beginning of the Milligan run. That's not really a high bar though.

Same. Considering a decade of shit between Milligan, the New52/DCYou & Rebirth (with a fraction exception to Seeley), there's nowhere to go but up* for the moment

*Unless Cacarot (DiDio) fucks it all to to the shitter for another episode of why he'll never be Jim Shooter (and Paul Levitz was a whole fool for giving him a job in Editoral in the first place all those years ago)

On 7/3/2019 at 4:09 PM, A. Heathen said:

Morph should be Keanu, but it'll be that mopey one from the recent StarWars films won't it.

If so, it'd be a better career highlight than being Not!Vader 

..... between Alan Horn (the WB exec who killed DC by screwing over the inprint and bringing in Dan DiDio who's now running a Live Action Remake Mill*) and Tom Rothman (his own exec meddling during same 12 years at Fox as Horn's tenure at the WB), I wish neither fucker made it as far they did; especially Horn. He got his wish far as turning DC into the branding wasteland and nothing gets spared.

We know what they'll pump out with Black Label will be only Capes so the likes of Miller and Azz can get more work. DC is dead to me

Mark my words, the only TPBs for our John they'll put out is the New 52/DCYou/Rebirth material and the stuff we enjoyed will suffer the same fate Paul Jenkins' run did for a long time (til 2014)

*might as well call the House of Mouse that anyway outside of Marvel 

12 hours ago, A. Heathen said:

And N.Carolina has been cleared of any blame ...

 

https://www.cbr.com/swamp-thing-north-carolina-denies-tax-break-miscommunication/

Thus the blame lies on the doorsteps of Warner and its AT&T overlords

On 6/6/2019 at 12:21 PM, Lou K said:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they're done

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dc-universes-swamp-thing-has-been-canceled/1100-6467432/

And bang goes what little goodwill WB/AT&T ever gained from the DCU stream. Now folks will worry about Doom Patrol's fate because of this.

Good luck on reclaiming the customers they just lost from this choice.

7 hours ago, JohnMcMahon said:

Launch trailer, hoping Matt Ryan shows up at the end to tease Murder Of Crows for season 2 -

 

 

OH, I do hope so. Anything to get him and our John away from the CW Ghetto

So, Astra's grown up and evil....

Shit 

On 2/23/2019 at 10:14 PM, Vagabond said:

The  animated Titans show from the early 2000s was a huge hit so maybe they're hoping it'll help specifically with a TV audience

Not so much that, but one person credited as a EP had been pushing Cyborg for nearly a decade: Geoff Johns.

Why I single him out? Well, he does have a strong preference for what he considers his era of comics and entertainment (i.e. The Superfriends era 1973-1986) hence why he, along with the 'stasche when devising thr Nee 52 snatched him and abolished his Titans history while in turn screwing over Martian Manhunter out of the founding member role in the JLA.

Another reason for why this show is due to the failure of the Snyder flavored DCEU (though semi salvaged by both Wonder Woman and Aquaman) along with the fact that the Cyborg of the New 52 era isn't of interest; only there because Johns made him 1 of the 3 mother boxes of Apokolips. Plus given how little the character (& actor Ray Fisher) was given plus the two cancelled solo series within the last 4 years, the planned movie signposted for 2020 is pretty much dead and buried. 

But yeah, I got to side with Christian on this. There is Joshua and Tempest but considering who's name has been tied to every DC project since The Green Lantern movie to here, of course "we need our diversity brownie points even though the tide will reverse this corporate hollow trend in the 2020s"

Not surprised but expected

Gonna have to agree with Christian. 

Hell, we've not even seen Tefé in the decade since Diggle and Dysart and she like Gemma (the real one as we last saw her under Carey and Mina) buggered of to the same Waffle pocket universe Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain were hiding in soon as DiDio and Johns got their grubby hands on our John

Ok, so having read this issue while in route to work, it does have something going for it* even for a now 3 part fill in far as introductions go. Seely got our John's voice on point and Merino's art feels right back at where we ought to have been after Diggle as opposed to what we ended up getting 8 years ago around this time.

*Said this about Oliver but we been deep throated by Djinn and a bride of a Elemental who's now Blue!Lady Jane

Just let the concept die and revive Shadowpact

Finally read the two. Its Denise Mina all over again except Djinn is the new Empathy. The arc should've been capped off at #6 then different story would've took its place. That plus the Book plot thread of Lapdogs and Englishmen molded into one giant muddle

As for the missing Abby, that other plot thread would've bern more investing had the DiDiot greenlit a Swamp Thing: Rebirth title so that thread csn conclude there.

And that couldn't be Mako from Diggle's run WHY, Simon??

I'll give him a go.

Hack/Slash has been fun and suggests he knows horror.

I wonder if he would write an issue where Gemma and Angie enlist the services of Cassie Hack to go after Peter Milligan?

 

Hahahahaha... HORROR !!!

Remember when Hellblazer was a Horror book?

Turkish Tony's* remembers....

*Pepperidge Farm's taken

But on Oliver: Like Denise Mina a decade before, he got the voice and swagger of our John but not the story. For Mina, it was the Third Place & for Oliver, its the Djinn. Which is a pity even more since he's one of us.

Credit where credits due,at least Johns and DiDio didn't hijack the run for their "All the bad stuff you dislike is all Alan Moore's fault (even though we're the real monsters)!!" campaign

Oh, wow. I'm out. So, Simon Oliver's run is going to go downhill as a colossal failure, I'd have to say....12 issues of searching for the Djinn. I'm guessing Oliver's run will end with, "I found them!".

 

Nothing against Tim Seeley, but I've just never read anything by him that I've found in any way exceptional. Oliver had the peak-of-his-career Last Gang in Town right before he took over on Hellblazer, and he churned out the most boring run on the book I can think of....probably even worse, in some ways, than the Ming Doyle misfire (although, in other ways, Doyle's was just terrible even compared to Oliver's).

 

Wasn't Seeley a member of this forum at one point?

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The Marj update was interesting though I assumed the compound would still be aound unless The Shadow Dog wiped them out save for her, Merc, Zed and Errol. Missing Moritat but with they could keep Pia around more as her art is better than what's coming in Febuary

It's just .... after a Constantine movie that WAS R rated, but almost the complete antithesis of who John is, and a show on NBC that allowed some freedom as episodes went on but at first kind of neutered the character, and appearances on CW plus a possible return of said show ( even though that's highly unlikely ) on CW that could neuter the character even MORE, and now this.... It's like , why ? Why is a straight up, unadulterated, 100 percent adaptation of Hellblazer John with NO restrictions such a big fucking thing to ask for at this point ?!?! Friggin' Deadpool was allowed that, and he was put into a kid's cartoon before John even was. And we had to wait decades for the same to happen with Wolverine, only for it to be the last Hugh Jackman Wolverine movie anyway... It's John's turn by now.

 

Of course, Deadpool and Wolvie are much more popular characters , so maybe they're not the best examples... Lol

Pretty sure the 2005 eyesore was PG-13

*sigh*

And just like that Cartoon Network is officially dead to me

The Swamp Thing plot would be better suited to another volume for the Bog God otherwise this is just another episode of "DC bashes Alan Moore* while neutering his successors (sans Milligan) in being the caretakers of our John

 

*aka throw the very comic that would saw the Charlton comic heroes in the very roles their expies are apart of under the bus while giving the very worst of early 90s business practices a pass because "STFU and Batman"

If you're saying what I think you're saying here, I find it difficult to give DC a hard time over it. Expecting them to drop an issue that Moore still makes a point of whining about in every interview he does over a quarter of a century later seems a bit like playing favourites to me.

Least he doesn't whine through his writing (I'm looking at you, Geoff Johns)

I enjoyed the gangster stuff, but I did find myself glazing over the Swamp Thing stuff. Did anyone else find it very corny when Swamp Thing began speaking his thoughts out loud in some of the panels?

 

As a word of note, this is Moritat's last issue as artist: Philip Tan will be taking over as the regular artist starting #7.

Think they should've gotten the artist who did the Future's End one-ahot from two volumes before. Tan's isn't a good fit

This story seems to be sort of a mess. There seems to be too much going on. Djinn. Swamp Thing. John Constantine and Chas. I could definitely do without whatever the hell Swamp Thing's role in all of this is meant to be, as it's taking away from more interesting plots.

The John Constantine/Chas story was a really interesting one. If this were a "done in one" story with that plot, this would be a very, very strong Hellblazer story.

As it stands, I still enjoyed that story.

I'll give this a 7, as this was the strongest issue of the relaunch yet. This is probably the strongest overall Hellblazer story I've read since the beginning of the Milligan run, actually. It's just a shame it's saddled with countless other less interesting plots, instead of telling a nicely political little John Constantine story.

The Swamp Thing plot would be better suited to another volume for the Bog God otherwise this is just another episode of "DC bashes Alan Moore* while neutering his successors (sans Milligan) in being the caretakers of our John

*aka throw the very comic that would saw the Charlton comic heroes in the very roles their expies are apart of under the bus while giving the very worst of early 90s business practices a pass because "STFU and Batman"