Demon Chas08 299 Report post Posted October 28, 2014 I was worried that the possible changes would lead to them mucking up that closing scene but if anything they made it a little better with the Zed stuff. Not to be a dick but I don't see how you could watch that bit after John leaves the bar and not see that he's using a bit of misdirection to freak out some motherfuckers! Yeah and misdirection is one of his specialties Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A. Heathen 1,215 Report post Posted October 28, 2014 We got your back, J-Mac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demon Chas08 299 Report post Posted October 28, 2014 I don't doubt that they will appear, but they were not in the 1st episode, which was the point. I expect they have a load of nerds complaining about fags, gay relationships, not being in London, the length of the trench coat, and if Facebook is anything to go by "it's not like I would have done it". And yet it's not at all hard to be positive about an episode designed to introduce the character to a lot of people who think comics are for children and Europeans. I gotten over it since it varied from length to length when drawn by Phillips, Camuncoli, and Murphy to where despite the "This is my only trenchcoat" matra from Ennis and He Who Shant Be Named, our boy does own a variety of trenchcoats Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slinker 893 Report post Posted October 29, 2014 I've yet to see a pilot that wasn't clumsy or seemed different from the rest of the show's episodes. the characters are still trying to fit the actors, the situations seem odd. Usually, a show hits its stride by the 3rd or 4th episode, so I'll be patient til then. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BlackhawkDesign Report post Posted October 30, 2014 I'm in.Amazon UK have a free trial too.So I get to watch the first four episodes in "real" (US) time.I really like how they reworked it to give us more of what we want. ie Constantine Zed01 by surprise truck I reckon that's a Manco behind Zed (similar to this), and Snejberg next to it. ... not a Manco, that is the one painting not pulled from a Hellblazer artist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogan 176 Report post Posted October 30, 2014 Is trenchcoat size really a thing?! Hell, even Ennis had him lose his coat in the States, so he sported a black/midnight blue one when he head a boozy heart to heart with Brendan's ghost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demon Chas08 299 Report post Posted October 30, 2014 Is trenchcoat size really a thing?! Helk, even Ennis had him lose his coat in the States, so he sported a black/midnight blue one when he head a boozy heart to heart with Brendan's ghost. And still wore it for his appearances late in Nancy Collins' run on Swamp Thing when Abby left Alec (whilst him and Lady Jane shagging each other) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogan 176 Report post Posted October 30, 2014 They can even have him get a snazzier, longer, more robe-like coat during season 3 sweeps, when he finally puts on the Helm of Nabu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demon Chas08 299 Report post Posted October 31, 2014 They can even have him get a snazzier, longer, more robe-like coat during season 3 sweeps, when he finally puts on the Helm of Nabu. Hell, I'll gladly mail in my 42R tan coat since it'd suit Ryan more than the fitted Burberry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou K 1,128 Report post Posted October 31, 2014 I liked it. Had it's moments. Had it's faults. But for all intents and purposes this is Hellblazer on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn 297 Report post Posted October 31, 2014 all intents and purposes this is Hellblazer on TV. In a nutshell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogan 176 Report post Posted November 3, 2014 Finally watched the first ep [watched the pilot back during the summer], so some quick impressions, before I move onto ep 2. The Good: -Matt Ryan. Damn, even though he overacts a bit at times, he looks the part, sounds better than it seemed to me when I watched the pilot, and his sly and subtle grimaces are superb. I mean, even if - The First forbid - this series fails, this is a dude whom I'd like to see more of on the telly, or in movies. His Demon Constantine was spot on. -The direction. Okay, so it's not Hannibal, but this first ep had some nice moody direction, nice editing and didn't look too cheap. -For all the liberties its taking with the source material, I finally managed to get my dad to enjoy John Constantine's adventures. [No, he couldn't even get into the comics that I've translated into Serbian] This kinda combines bits of other TV shows he likes to watch - it has a nifty Brit for a lead [like Elementary], it's a comic book adaptation [Like The Arrow/Flash/Agents of SHIELD], the whole angels/demons/magic thing helps him scratch that fantasy itch [he's a huge Tolkien nut and likes Game of Thrones], but it *is* a procedural, like Person of Interest [he is a bit too impatient for heavily serialized dramas, so I couldn't get him to watch Breaking Bad or even LOST], where there is a case of the week, along with some nice larger arcs that aren't that hard to follow/recap at the start of the episode. -That ZEDstreet poster, and the rest of the artwork at the very end. Consider this fan serviced. -Chas. Except for the undying part [which can still turn out to be cool - perhaps they'll transplant the bit about the magicked cat in the pickle jar from John's dad?]. I thought I wouldn't like him, but he even made the beard work, didn't talk much, except from that infodump at the end. -Jeremy Davies as Ritchie. Love the dude, even though the jumpy scientist/geek/weirdo is the one note that is lately required of him. -The humor. Even when I rolled my eyes at certain things [like the possessed inmate in Ravenscar], John would also sigh or drop a snarky joke, which made it more palatable. The Iffy: -The dialogues. Some of the stuff, even if it was lifted straight from the comics, would simply sink the scene. -Liv. Boy, glad to see her leave. She really wasn't gelling, both acting and plot-wise. -The Angel. A bit hard to take seriously, so either John starts taking more piss out of him, or they make him less silly [for example losing those contacts and the goatee, I mean, Walt's dad isn't a bad actor, but for now just seems that the makeup/costume hurdles he has to jump over to get his character across are a tad bit too tall] -That flaming hands ending. Like the con aspect of it, him doing the smoke and mirrors with whatever is handy, but those gunmen at some implied satanic.... ritual site in a back alley? It seemed a bit silly, so it was a bit of a weird note to end things on. -The Music. I get what they were trying to do with the whole "Ring of Fire" foreshadowing, but it sounded wonky, like the sound mix was fucked with. The rest of it was simply uninvolving. The Naff: -The calling cards. -The overabundance of magical items. -Various other network TV symptoms. -The tinny tyne. -IT'S NOT HOW I'D HAVE MADE IT!!1!!one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogan 176 Report post Posted November 3, 2014 One more thing - Zed's illustration of the flame-handed John at the end, if you squint a bit, looks like it was done by David Lloyd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demon Chas08 299 Report post Posted November 4, 2014 Finally watched the first ep [watched the pilot back during the summer], so some quick impressions, before I move onto ep 2. The Good: -Matt Ryan. Damn, even though he overacts a bit at times, he looks the part, sounds better than it seemed to me when I watched the pilot, and his sly and subtle grimaces are superb. I mean, even if - The First forbid - this series fails, this is a dude whom I'd like to see more of on the telly, or in movies. His Demon Constantine was spot on. -The direction. Okay, so it's not Hannibal, but this first ep had some nice moody direction, nice editing and didn't look too cheap. -For all the liberties its taking with the source material, I finally managed to get my dad to enjoy John Constantine's adventures. [No, he couldn't even get into the comics that I've translated into Serbian] This kinda combines bits of other TV shows he likes to watch - it has a nifty Brit for a lead [like Elementary], it's a comic book adaptation [Like The Arrow/Flash/Agents of SHIELD], the whole angels/demons/magic thing helps him scratch that fantasy itch [he's a huge Tolkien nut and likes Game of Thrones], but it *is* a procedural, like Person of Interest [he is a bit too impatient for heavily serialized dramas, so I couldn't get him to watch Breaking Bad or even LOST], where there is a case of the week, along with some nice larger arcs that aren't that hard to follow/recap at the start of the episode. -That ZEDstreet poster, and the rest of the artwork at the very end. Consider this fan serviced. -Chas. Except for the undying part [which can still turn out to be cool - perhaps they'll transplant the bit about the magicked cat in the pickle jar from John's dad?]. I thought I wouldn't like him, but he even made the beard work, didn't talk much, except from that infodump at the end. -Jeremy Davies as Ritchie. Love the dude, even though the jumpy scientist/geek/weirdo is the one note that is lately required of him. -The humor. Even when I rolled my eyes at certain things [like the possessed inmate in Ravenscar], John would also sigh or drop a snarky joke, which made it more palatable. The Iffy: -The dialogues. Some of the stuff, even if it was lifted straight from the comics, would simply sink the scene. -Liv. Boy, glad to see her leave. She really wasn't gelling, both acting and plot-wise. -The Angel. A bit hard to take seriously, so either John starts taking more piss out of him, or they make him less silly [for example losing those contacts and the goatee, I mean, Walt's dad isn't a bad actor, but for now just seems that the makeup/costume hurdles he has to jump over to get his character across are a tad bit too tall] -That flaming hands ending. Like the con aspect of it, him doing the smoke and mirrors with whatever is handy, but those gunmen at some implied satanic.... ritual site in a back alley? It seemed a bit silly, so it was a bit of a weird note to end things on. -The Music. I get what they were trying to do with the whole "Ring of Fire" foreshadowing, but it sounded wonky, like the sound mix was fucked with. The rest of it was simply uninvolving. The Naff: -The calling cards. -The overabundance of magical items. -Various other network TV symptoms. -The tinny tyne. -IT'S NOT HOW I'D HAVE MADE IT!!1!!one! Funny enough, I feel Perinneau would make a better Map since his attire (sans wings and contacts) match how Map himself was dressed during the Staring At The Wall arc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A. Heathen 1,215 Report post Posted November 4, 2014 I'm in.Amazon UK have a free trial too.So I get to watch the first four episodes in "real" (US) time.I really like how they reworked it to give us more of what we want. ie Constantine Zed01 by surprise truck I reckon that's a Manco behind Zed (similar to this), and Snejberg next to it. ... not a Manco, that is the one painting not pulled from a Hellblazer artist Welcome, thanks for the time spent on scenes like this, and pay no attention to concerns about trenchcoat style ;-) Can I ask who's the artist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
