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Right,so since I been binging on hellblazer and anything related to it,I came across so many different iterations.I realized something.

 

1)I really,really don't like John in Azarello's run.He bothered me too much and he was a little shit who got everything he deserved.

 

2)I really liked Keanusteen.Was awesome and what made me wanna look into hellblazer in the first place.admit,it was a good movie,just not a good hellblazer movie

 

3)I liked Delano's John.Seemed very much human

 

4)Ennis was good,but I need to finish ennis's run to make a final determination

 

5)Gaiman,YES

 

6)Mina and Diggle,I didn't read as much...I'm kinda reading the comics as I find them

 

7)Milligan should've handled it better considering john's age...

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I saw some fangirl write about Keanustantine's fanfiction-al biography on a wiki. They put him in as a character in their made up story lore, and it bothered me how this character sounds like some kind of Supernatural OC with the name 'John Constantine'.

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not surprising.

 

when I write fanifction,I try to keep my characters in character,save for some plausable changes...key example in a seriousl NSFW fic,I wrote Nick Necro as an occultist/ tattoo artist (he did do tats on john and zatanna) who was an ex-drug addict who secretly going mad because he paranoid could hear 'voices from the other side' and could NOT control his ability to see into the future or past(he can canonically do this...the future thing not the past).he used magick to self medicate and...

 

then we ended up with the plot to JLD and books of magick and all that nu52 crossover fuckery.

 

it could've happened ,you know .

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My favourite version of John Constantine is the Hellblazer John Constantine written by Jamie Delano. By far!

 

My least favourite version would probably be the movie version.

Followed by New 52 Johnny.

And, then, either Azzarello's John or Milligan's John. Azzarello's John was just plain unlikeable, whereas, with Milligan, he didn't understand John Constantine (apparently, even though he "got" him during his Shade series), but it wasn't so much John Constantine that was the problem with Milligan's Hellblazer, as much as it was the stories he was writing to put John in. In better stories, Milligan's John probably would have been decent, although still not great. Yeah, Lady Constantine hits a big part of the problem with Milligan's John, which was that he was written as very immature, when he was nearly 60 years old. As it was, it was like an alternate version of John put in to really, really bad plots.

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Favorites storywise

  • Delano John
  • Ennis John (mostly the Dangerous Habits story)
  • Jenkins John
  • Carey John
  • Si Spencer John (City of Demons)

Artwise

  • Tim Bradstreet
  • Sean Murphy
  • Sean Phillips
  • Leonardo Manco
  • Renato Guedes (Constantine issues 1-4)

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My favourite version of John Constantine is the Hellblazer John Constantine written by Jamie Delano. By far!

 

My least favourite version would probably be the movie version.

Followed by New 52 Johnny.

And, then, either Azzarello's John or Milligan's John. Azzarello's John was just plain unlikeable, whereas, with Milligan, he didn't understand John Constantine (apparently, even though he "got" him during his Shade series), but it wasn't so much John Constantine that was the problem with Milligan's Hellblazer, as much as it was the stories he was writing to put John in. In better stories, Milligan's John probably would have been decent, although still not great. Yeah, Lady Constantine hits a big part of the problem with Milligan's John, which was that he was written as very immature, when he was nearly 60 years old. As it was, it was like an alternate version of John put in to really, really bad plots.

Then there's Milligan having John take money from a Tory to fuck over a socialist. Looking back on that two panel flashback, it was the first sign of what's horribly wrong with him helming the book

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I do agree on delano's john being the best and in dangerous nannies habbits he was awesome

 

My auto-correct is a bitch and a half,damnit! dangerous friggin' habbits!

 

just key warning I will eb correcting posts,as I am usually going mobile on the site

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

I compare Milligan's John to Miller!Bats or as Linkara calls him "Crazy Steve".

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Jekins John remains my fave. He was just so human, and the stories were just steeped in Britishness, and the character was iconoclastic as fuck, as he should be.

 

 

 

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

exactly.i was in shock and disgust through the whole thing.i mean,john's kinda dickish at time,but i spent azarello's run wanting bad shit to happen to him.pale contrast to dangerous habbits when i was heartbroken and delano's entire run where i just wanted shit to go right for constantine.

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Jekins John remains my fave. He was just so human, and the stories were just steeped in Britishness, and the character was iconoclastic as fuck, as he should be.

 

 

Jenkins would be my easy second favourite. It showed a much more mature John, which is the progression a character should take as they age in real time. There's a natural progression from Delano's John to Jenkins' John, showing he was now a 40-plus year old guy.

Comparably, Ennis' John was a lot more immature than Delano's.

By Milligan's run, a guy who should have been nearing 60, was acting far more immature than at any point in the title.

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The older John got, the harder it would have been to write for him. It's quite a trick to write for a character who's wiser and more experienced than you.

 

... I compare [Azzarello's] John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

Well said. :hattip:

 

 

Denise Mina's Constantine was spot-on. (Apart from his Scottish accent.) Delano is my favourite, and I totally agree with Qusoor's take on Jenkins' Constantine; but Mina's handling of the character is right up there.

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The older John got, the harder it would have been to write for him. It's quite a trick to write for a character who's wiser and more experienced than you.

 

... I compare [Azzarello's] John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

Well said. :hattip:

 

 

Denise Mina's Constantine was spot-on. (Apart from his Scottish accent.) Delano is my favourite, and I totally agree with Qusoor's take on Jenkins' Constantine; but Mina's handling of the character is right up there.

 

i think part of the issue was for the desire to not see a character change.i really was turned off by azarello's sociopathic monster and milligan sticking john with a chick almost young enough to be his grand daughter and that he obviously wanted to date himself..and the fact he met epiphany when she was younger,added to the fact the mind trip and seeing her as child and still wanting to bang her....that came off as too creepy...and i don't think shade the changing man should've even showed up .plus the phoebe thing...you'd think at that age john would know better...

 

i think it's comic book culture...manga/anime writers seem to know how to handle this better (see naruto vs naruto:shippuden...charcater changes are quite noticeable...for all those who even watch anime).

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

True. I can't believe Alan Moore thought this was the best Constantine.

 

 

Azzarello just doesn't know when to stop writing Joker.

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azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

True. I can't believe Alan Moore thought this was the best Constantine.

 

 

Azzarello just doesn't know when to stop writing Joker.

 

oh! i just caught that.yup.the joker.the joker and the laughing magician

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Well, in his bingo hall defense, he was up against Agent Turro, the biggest prick in Prickville, so I read it as him simply standing up for himself and using a bit of that ol kiss of death reputation.

 

Garth Ennis

Jamie Delano

My favorite Conjobs.

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Jason-Yeah, I guess that's why Ennis' John sounded like a 20-something, considering Ennis was like 21 when writing Hellblazer. Compared to the older-seeming Delano John being under 40.

 

I think Lady Constantine certainly has a point as to why it was harder to write John as an aging character, nearly at 60. It would have required the character to chance, and basically after the Paul Jenkins run, John stopped changing. He was aging in real life, but his characterization remained pretty consistent. It was the template Constantine written by Mike Carey, based on Ennis' characterization, but updated a bit.

Of course, we saw some changes with Azzarello and Milligan, but those were more just from bad interpretations of the character, rather than a real attempt to see John grow as a character, like under Jenkins.

Milligan regressed the character.

 

Alan Moore liked Azzarello's take, I assume, due to Azzarello wanting to take John back to basics. The whole mystery man intruding in others' lives, and often not for the better. That was Constantine under Moore.

The issue there is that when Moore was writing John, he was a supporting character in another character's book. It's hard to keep that sort of character going when they have their own title, which requires characterization and background.

It also gets hard to do after the book has been running for over 100 issues, and readers already know the background of this character. The character may seem dark and mysterious to strangers, but the readers just see it as poor characterization.

Plus, it is surprising that Moore liked Azzarello's version, considering that Azzarello's version was actually immoral. Moore's John was the most heroic incarnation of the character. Something we rarely saw of John during the Hellblazer run, where we thought of him as an anti-hero. Yes, he did good things. Yes, at times he showed heroic sides. But, for the most part, he was amoral. Under Moore, we saw John actually willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good and such.

So, Azzarello's version is really the furthest removed from Moore's version, even though Azzarello did sort of go "back to basics".

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i looooved delanos constantine. it was even according to all weaknesses brilliant and in concurrence to many others here i like fear machine, so there is that. and milligans john was the worst in the HB run! BY FAR.

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I saw some fangirl write about Keanustantine's fanfiction-al biography on a wiki. They put him in as a character in their made up story lore, and it bothered me how this character sounds like some kind of Supernatural OC with the name 'John Constantine'.

 

Also, all of it was made up. John had powers?

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