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13 hours ago, Christian said:

Dog-Look at Spider Man. His fashion sense remained intact after his deal with the Devil.

If you're using Son of Satan and Satanna as examples, they're both the progeny of Satan, not of making deals with demons.

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Exactly, Lou. I think that's what Ennis might have been getting at, that Castle won't ever be able to die so long as his war is on-going, which will last until the end of time.

It could also explain the fact that Frank Castle is still in-continuity a veteran of the Vietnam War, even though that was 50 years ago now. Castle should be somewhere in his 70s, yet he's still looking the same age as when he started.

Sure, you can argue about "Marvel's time-line", but they recently ret-conned it so that Tony Stark's origin took place in Afghanistan, not Vietnam. It would be a simple matter to say that Castle was a soldier in the most recent war in Iraq, but Marvel has kept the Vietnam War back-story.

Otherwise, the Punisher is just a really in-shape guy with a big gun who runs around never having to worry about getting shot and killed. It's basically The Rock getting a bunch of guns and declaring a "war on crime", and running around amidst all these bullets, being perfectly fine. Eventually, the guy is going to get shot and killed, having no powers.

I think Ennis just kept it ambiguous enough that fans who would complain about supernatural elements popping up in a Punisher story could think that it was all part of his break-down, and that either explanation is acceptable.

No, they have retconned Frank as being a veteran of the Iraq war, back during Greg Rucka's run circa 2012 or so.  It's only in the MAX comic that he's still a 60+ Vietnam veteran, and that's a totally separate continuity than the regular Marvel Universe Punisher (considering, y'know, MAX Frank is dead now).  

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Christian    805

Ah. I did not know that MAX Frank was dead. That would also mean that Ennis' "demon" was exclusive to the MAX continuity also. So, it wouldn't apply to Earth-616 Punisher. Making it an alternate universe take that Punisher made a deal with a demon, if one wants to read the story in that manner.

I didn't even realize that Rucka had written Punisher, or knew that they ret-conned the Punisher's origin.

All I knew was that Ennis just wrote that Punisher MAX mini-series which featured Castle in the Vietnam War, so I took it that the original continuity was still intact.

So, that just leaves the issue of Magneto and Professor X in the Marvel Universe with time-scale issues. There are explanations for why Professor X isn't in his 90s and Magneto isn't dead, but they don't totally gel with the time-line. Magneto was deaged in a story-arc of Defenders, while Professor X died and had a younger body cloned by the Shi'ar. So, that could explain why they are still relatively young, even though they were both born before World War II. Except, with the new time-scale, that means that Magneto would have in his 90s when he first appeared. Professor X would have been in his 80s when he was putting together his X-Men.

It's not an easy matter to ret-con Magneto's origin, and Xavier has to have been a companion of him in their younger days, making them of similar age.

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dogpoet    497

I thought Xavier's war memories were Korea, rather than WW2? His step brother's certainly are, iirc. I don't see how their first meeting In Israel in the late '50s (unless that's been retconned away now) suggests that they're of a similar age, either.

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Christian    805

Xavier was in the Korean War, but it means he was born before World War II.

Magneto was just a child during World War II, when he was put in the concentration camps. I believe he was roughly 19 years old when he had his children with his lover. Which would really upset Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's ages also, as they're roughly in their 30s, but would have had to be born circa 1946 or so.

EDIT:Oh, actually, I think that Marvel did explain Wanda and Pietro's ages, by saying that the High Evolutionary put them in suspended animation for years after their birth.

It's true that that Xavier and Magneto don't need to be of similar ages to have become friends in Israel. Magneto could have been much older than Charles when they met, that's true.

It was always accepted that they were within a ten-year age span, with Magneto being the older of the two.

I guess maybe they could make it work by ret-conning most of Xavier's early back-story and saying he was born in the 1950s. Then, he met Magneto in Israel at a later date than the 1950s.

Oh, but that would mess up the Gabrielle Heller story....since even if Xavier liked much older women, she wouldn't be able to get pregnant with Legion at her age. Maybe you could make it so that Gabrielle was the daughter of a concentration camp survivor instead. Yeah, I guess that would work.

There is the fact that the story of Magneto and Xavier's first meeting involved Baron Von Strucker recovering stolen gold that had been transported out of Nazi Germany to fund Hydra, which Magneto took and used to fund his mutant crusade, but I guess that could be explained away as Hydra holding hordes of stolen gold from the Nazis years later.....

So, as long as people could accept that a nearly-80 year old Magneto decided to make his presence known in X-Men #1, and then he was deaged in that Defenders story, you could make the time-line work.

EDIT II:Actually, Magneto being a senile old man in the Silver Age would explain why he was such a ranting loony, compared to the later-Claremont interpretation. Claremont explained it away by saying that Magneto's powers messed up his brain chemistry, but that's not even needed. He was just suffering from dementia.

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Christian    805

I still think it would be easier if Marvel would just move ahead events in their time-line.

They can cram the majority of the 20th century in to one decade. It was a....really, really bad ten years: World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War.

Then, World War II could have happened sometime in the late-1960s in the Marvel Universe. Problem solved.

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Well, looks like that Ghost Rider/Punisher conversation from a week or so ago became weirdly relevant.  I don't want to spoil anything, but this week's comics that does indeed tie those two characters together was fantastic and you should totally be reading Donny Cate's Thanos because it is pretty fucking awesome.  Up there with Moon Knight for best Marvel title right now.

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Christian    805

Marvel has regained the rights to publish Conan comic books. They will begin publishing new Conan material starting in 2019.

Also, Gail Simone will be returning to Marvel in March, when she begins writing (of all things) a Domino series.

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dogpoet    497

Never mind publishing new stuff: does that mean they can reprint the Essential Conan collection?

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Christian    805

Umm....I guess? Why would they want to now, when all the material is available through colour reprints put together by Dark Horse? The Essential line has been dead for years now, so I doubt Marvel will bother bringing that one back to print. They will have the rights to all of the prior Conan comic material.....all of the books they originally published, plus the Dark Horse series too (just like with Star Wars).

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dogpoet    497

I was forgetting they'd pulled the plug on the Essentials. It'd be one of those epic collections of the BWS issues now, I suppose.

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A. Heathen    1,171

I won't be buying any others in the Infinity thing - that I am aware - but the Allred Warlock is fab.

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Christian    805

Oh, I am relieved to see that Marvel will begin a new relaunch of their line this April. I was getting worried....it's been six months, and the amount of #1s coming from Marvel has been pitiably small. Good thing there's a new editor-in-chief to launch the "brand new start" initiative at Marvel. Some of those big numbers on Marvel books were glaring.

Jason Aaron has been announced as taking over on Avengers, which looks to be positioned as, maybe, Marvel's flagship title again.

In news that I am actually looking forward to, it seems that Jonathan Hickman has been enticed back to Marvel to actually finish his run on SHIELD. The last issue shipped in February of 2012. Hickman decided to emulate Ellis and not finish the book, leaving it at issue #4. Now, Hickman will return to write two issues to finish his run on SHIELD.

The book was one of the best books being published by a "mainstream" publisher at the time it was coming out. I barely remember what was going on in the book when it lapsed, but it's the "secret history" of SHIELD (it doesn't feature Nick Fury or those guys, no), with historical figures supposedly associated with the so-called "Illuminati". Isaac Newton is involved in some sort of grand conspiracy that the "Illuminati" are trying to stop. Lots of big, crazy ideas.

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dogpoet    497

I'll probably be getting the bind up of that one when it's collected. It definitely looked interesting...

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JasonT    456

I'm looking forward to seeing Ta-Nehisi Coates' run on Captain America. Gonna pretend it's not starting with a new issue 1.

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Christian    805

It seems that Marvel Legacy was just an excuse to put out a bunch of more expensive anniversary issues, and then go back to relaunching them again.

So, Mark Waid must be done at Marvel now too? All of his books seem to be gone or given to other writers, and I haven't heard of anything he's going to be taking over afterwards. Avengers and Captain America are going to different writers, and Champions has been canceled. Those were all of Waid's titles.

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dogpoet    497

Maybe he's off to IDW to write some more Empire now?

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Christian    805

Oh, nevermind. He's announced at the new writer on Dr. Strange. Dan Slott will be taking over on Iron Man from Bendis. Nick Spencer returns to Marvel to take over on Amazing Spider Man, thus finally ending Slott's reign over that book. It's the Marvel shuffle!

I still haven't seen anything announced for Al Ewing though.

EDIT:I guess I should read these articles announcing the new creative teams, instead of just relying on what headlines pop up in a search.

Ewing is the new writer on Incredible Hulk.

Also, a Madrox, the Multiple Man series has been announced (with Matthew Rosenberg as writer).

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I enjoyed that Superior Foes book he did a couple years back, but the rest of his Marvel stuff has left me cold/indifferent. Hope his take on Spidey works, since Amazing Spider-Man writers have this tendency to stick on the book for a long time. :tongue:

In other news looks like Jeff Lemire wasn't done with Marvel after all, he'll be writing The Sentry of all characters for the relaunch.

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Christian    805

Oh....well, that's....underwhelming. That's a character who should never have been brought back after the Jenkins series, but Marvel wants to continuously bring back. Each time, the character seems to get used a bit worse. I'll give the first issue a try, since it's Lemire, but unless it's really impressive, I wish the character would go away.

Spencer's run on Captain America: Sam Wilson was excellent. Some of the best "mainstream" superhero comics in a while. It was very reminiscent of Englehart's run on Cap (my favourite).

Shame it ended up in the horrible mess (which never should have been ) of Secret Empire. Spencer went out with a real failure, but outside of that, I can't think of anything Spencer did at Marvel which I did not enjoy.

His Ant Man was a lot of fun, and made me sympathize with that cheap knockoff Ant Man (non-Hank Pym Ant Man, I mean), when I had never cared for that character in the past.

Spider Man is going to take a lot of work to fix after Slott decided to completely derail the character. I'm sure writing a solo character for 100 years can get really boring, and made Slott decide to shake up the status quo as much as possible (Claremont had a team book with X-Men, so he was able to experiment without making the mistakes of Slott). However, Spider Man turned in to a character I had zero interest in eventually.

Anyway, it's not like Spencer has to try very hard, as Spider Man has been a poor imitation book since that whole "deal with the Devil" nonsense.

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I wouldn't say that about Amazing Spider-Man, that it's been derailed since "One More Day".  I thought the "Brand New Day" era stories, up through about # 600, were all quite good to really excellent.  The writing team approach, with guys like Slott, Waid, Wells, etc. did a fine job to win me back to Spider-Man after I got tired of JMS' run.  I think the big mistake was to change that team approach and give the book whole-hog to Slott, which is about when I tuned out for good.

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Christian    805

I had completely forgotten that "Brand New Day" period. I wasn't reading the book full-time at that point either. I read certain writers, but didn't bother with the other issues. Some of those stories were pretty good, yeah.

I kept up with the Slott run for as long as I could, but when he turned the book in to Tony Stark-lite, I decided I couldn't read the book anymore.

So, in my mind, the bad sticks out far more than the good for Spider Man comic books. The last time I was truly following the character and enjoying all of his stories was during the Jenkins' run on Peter Parker: Spider Man (which coincided with some less than stellar stories by JMS on Amazing though).

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Christian    805

I'm not sure of the exact details, as I try not to follow news about corporations....However, I read something about FOX selling off a lot of their licenses, and Disney is the main company interested in buying up what FOX sells.

So, in the near future, Disney most likely ends up back in control of all of Marvel's film properties. So, we could see some major changes in the way Marvel handles some of their characters (especially the Fantastic Four, and probably X-Men too) with Disney having exclusive rights to all Marvel characters again.

Disney also will end up even more of a monopoly in the near-term, as they'll be adding a lot of other properties to their Marvel and Star Wars franchises, including Simpsons.

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Lou K    1,097

Azzarello's CAGE starts off good enough, with fantastic art by the legendary Richard Corben, but I feel like he does not wrap it up very well. Matter of fact, I find myself feeling that way on a lot of his work. Great spin up, with the finish not quite living up to it's end of the bargain.

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