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DC did snag two potential up-and-comers with exclusive contracts: Tom King and Steve Orlando (he's got a GLAAD I think but I don't know if he'd fit John)

 

But the only actual big names (eg peoples who could probably sell a book with their name alone) they have atm seem to be Geoff Johns and Scott Snyder. The other two big names that were there at the start of New 52, Morrison and Azzarello, don't look like they'll be doing any regular DC work in the future. Though I think there still are some writers who wrote a cult-favorite series or some indie with press like Tim Seeley and Dan Abnett working on books atm, though. And Tom Taylor, who wrote that Injustice Constantine, is still working for DC as well.

 

It probably is some magnitude of bad management regarding DC, whatever compels them to let Marvel snag so many names with buzz from them with exclusive contracts. Rick Remender, Jeff Lemire, Charles Soule, Jason Aaron, etc. There also seem to be some industry veterans from the 90s/early 00s who have had such a bad time with DC editorial that they've gone over to Marvel for the long long haul, such as James Robinson, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, etc. which leaves DC with "90s talent" like Scott Lobdell and whoever Bob Harras seems to know. It's probably not a coincidence that Harras is there at the top and Howard Mackie and Tom DeFalco wrote DC books at some point. In fact, wasn't Paul Jenkins' experience with New 52 editorial so bad that he went exclusively independent for his work? And I think Ed Brubraker has gone full-indie for the moment as well.

 

I'm hoping that Rebirth is not just "slap some new paint" on our characters sort of rebirth, but an actual rebirth for management within the company. The ip farms can only carry you so far if there's no talent to back them up.

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That's the nice thing about DC's current set up: if you should lose track of the continuity, they'll change it all in a year or two, anyway.

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Both parties are 'guilty' of that, really, I mean Marvel have never really been too bothered about continuity or at least maintaining any kind of status quo for more than 6 months.

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Both parties are 'guilty' of that, really, I mean Marvel have never really been too bothered about continuity or at least maintaining any kind of status quo for more than 6 months.

 

this is why i kinda prescribe to the marvel MCU at this point.did try to check out brubaker's winter soldier.had some good stuff but I am too far gone from the continuity

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Marvel really doesn't use any continuity anymore, at least not strictly. Marvel considered continuity very important until Bill Jemas took power. At that point, Jemas said continuity was holding back Marvel, and encouraged writers to not use continuity, except within their own runs on a title. After Jemas left, Marvel went back to considering continuity more important again, but with the "Marvel NOW" relaunch, Marvel decided that the writers could do pretty much what they wanted with continuity. I figured that was the reason for Secret Wars, so that Marvel could then restart everything, with tighter continuity, but no, the "Marvel NOW" editorial stance is still in place. There's not even inter-title continuity at Marvel. Characters will show in multiple books within one month, and their different appearances will contradict each other. I'm guessing if you wanted to write a Marvel title, you could read an "Official Handbook" profile for the character to understand their history, and have no problem.

You just need to know some basics, like Wolverine is not dead in the Marvel Universe, replaced by the Old Man Logan version of the character.

Winter Soldier is still acting, basically, in the manner set up during Brubaker's run on the character. He's currently working to bring down SHIELD, which has become a stand-in for the NSA in our world. Marvel is relaunching Thunderbolts this Spring, and Winter Soldier is going to be the team leader.

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More Thunderbolts?

I thought they'd finally let that one roll over and die, like the squashed dog kept alive by sadistic mad science in that Family Guy episode. Nobody's done anything interesting with that one since Kurt Busiek stopped writing it, for Christ's sake...

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Yeah, I loved Busiek's Thunderbolts. That was a really fun series.

 

Although, Thunderbolts was good when Warren Ellis and Andy Diggle were writing it. The Ellis run was just twisted, and the Diggle run had some really nice political commentary with his revamp of the Ghost. Diggle made the Ghost one of my favourite characters at Marvel, as a paranoid anarchist. I wouldn't recommend reading Diggle's run in the way I'd recommend Ellis' run, it wasn't as good, but Diggle just did such a great job making me love the Ghost that I couldn't stand to not mention Diggle too.

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I'll take your word for it.

Has any of the Busiek run (or any of the rest of it) been collected?

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Hmmm...Marvel's web-site shows there are three volumns of Thunderbolts Classics collecting the first 22 issues by Busiek. The newest seems to be from 2012 though, so it doesn't look like they plan to finish the Busiek run.

The entire Ellis run has been collected in two volumns. "Faith in Monsters" and "Caged Angels" look to be the titles.

 

There look to be a number of other assorted Thunderbolts TPBs still in-print. Not sure what all is collected otherwise, though. I would guess that the Diggle run was collected in a few of those other Trades.

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On a related note to the discussion of DC's (lack of?) talent last page, DC has just announced a writers and artist workshop programs. It's probably the closest there ever will be to the company accepting unsolicited writing submissions again, although the rules for application stress that you can't include any ideas involving DC characters in your application and completion of the workshop doesn't guarantee a writing position at DC afterwards.

 

The writer's workshop application period starts on May 1st. Anyone got a resume of previously published comics or novels that wanna take a longshot?

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Marvel did something similar to this during the late-1990s.

It gave the comic world Brian Vaughn, Steven Seagle, Joe Casey, Joe Kelly, and Duncan Roulleau.

So, it's not a bad idea, based on the level of talent who came out of that workshop.

Funnily enough, though, most of those talents went on to be big names at DC. They did very little major work at Marvel before jumping to DC and getting their big break.

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On a related note to the discussion of DC's (lack of?) talent last page, DC has just announced a writers and artist workshop programs. It's probably the closest there ever will be to the company accepting unsolicited writing submissions again, although the rules for application stress that you can't include any ideas involving DC characters in your application and completion of the workshop doesn't guarantee a writing position at DC afterwards.

 

The writer's workshop application period starts on May 1st. Anyone got a resume of previously published comics or novels that wanna take a longshot?

 

 

Does a comic pitch count?

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On a related note to the discussion of DC's (lack of?) talent last page, DC has just announced a writers and artist workshop programs. It's probably the closest there ever will be to the company accepting unsolicited writing submissions again, although the rules for application stress that you can't include any ideas involving DC characters in your application and completion of the workshop doesn't guarantee a writing position at DC afterwards.

 

The writer's workshop application period starts on May 1st. Anyone got a resume of previously published comics or novels that wanna take a longshot?

 

 

Does a comic pitch count?

 

Hmm, the application guidelines say nothing against general comic pitches or ideas for comics using Marvel characters... :smile:

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Read the guidelines very carefully before writing anything, and if you are going to send them fanfic porn, make sure it's your a list stuff.

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