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The same issues apply to all areas of Identity Politics as you bring up about LGBTQ peoples though. There are African-American people with money. The experience of African-American females could be very different than the experience of African-American males, which may be very different than the experience of an African-American gay person. A woman CEO's experiences of gender would be very different than a poor woman's experiences. Then, we don't even cover other areas of disadvantage, such as mentally ill or physically handicapped, which can very much be a white male.

 

I don't disagree that racism exists in society, and affects certain people very differently than the majority. Systemic racism is a very big reason for why there is so much poverty among African-American and Latino populations in the United States. However, most of these issues stem from the State, which enforces draconian criminal laws, that are used to perpetuate the racial divide that was once enforced without any denial by Jim Crow laws. Then, the State passes welfare legislation, which keeps these poor people dependent on that same State, while a certain section of the political elite uses those self-same welfare legislation to stir up hatred and resentment against racial minorities in this country (even though there are plenty of poor white folk on welfare as well).

The prisons are stocked with racial minorities who committed non-violent crimes, and that's not because minorities are "less moral" than whites. The State enforces draconian laws which make it very hard for a person who has been in jail to get a job. The system is very much stacked so that it is incredibly hard to ever get out of poverty.

This systemic racism can be traced right back to the Civil War, when African-Americans were screwed over by the government after the war, as instead of being given ownership of the land that they and their families had worked for years, which by all rights the land belonged to them, the African-American population in the south, with nothing to their name, were forced to leave for the north in order to find jobs, as that was all the industry was located. That was the birth of the ghetto system.

So, more African-American people were starting out in abject poverty.

 

The upper class has feared one thing in the United States for decades, and that is, yes, very much indeed, poor minorities and poor white people forming an alliance against the wealthy elite. The elites mission has been done to do everything to keep the two sides divided, and not seeing their common interests. Hence, you have poor white people voting overwhelmingly for Republicans (seemingly against their own interests), while poor minorities overwhelmingly vote for Democrats (which have proven to offer nothing more than band-aids and false promises for poor people).

 

This much is all true.And you will be surprised how many of these neo-liberals and false leftist have no knowledge of and disregard such information.And trying to get out of poverty-ugh! it is like a catch 22! I need a bank to loan me some money to go to college [pay a debt] and since I don't know anyone above a certain income level [urban area,I'm black so most people I know live in said area are black and are at only a certain income level] can't get said loan--that would help me get through college and get a higher paying job to pay for this tuition and any debt incurred--feel like my life is screwed [made worse by the fact I'm just startingto recover from a bad injury that lasted years due to crap medical care no coverage and all kindsa foolishness]

I'm a young woman so I'm new to this adult thing and I am realizing how much the system is stacked against the have nots vs the haves. When we walk the cities and see who's living in what conditions ,this is a system from generations,tracing back to the early years of the nation.

 

As for politics,I think there needs to be a point where the left vs the right thing has to stop [i think the right needs to not exist anyway,but that is opinion]. I had always thought it was a paradox for the underclass whites to vote republican,that just seems plain foolish to me. That's what I mean with the overseer-sndrome thing :whites have been taught to value their whiteness above all [which only real value is being able to thrive in certain climates like every other race--matters little when you can live where you want now],even their well being.

 

And yes I agree that these wannabe democrats keep comin' with bandaids and first aid kits,but ain't nobody ready to perform the surgery needed to fix this mess.

 

But in the states,that's the way the system is,the party syste, which I think is flawed,made worse in this day and age with the media and all that. When we live in a world where there are people actively voting for someone like Donald trump to be our president--ugh! I've been debating for years if I should defect to the UK,but the break from the European union and other prvious issues...how is that affecting you guys anyway? Anyone from across the pond can give me the word on the climate over there nowadays.?

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Christian    782

The value of the pound is way down. I know that.

I wouldn't ever leave the United States at this point. It's my home. There are a lot of things I love about America....some of them being taken away by a government out of control, mind.

I'm neither a patriot nor an anti-American type. Some Americans are assholes, just like there are plenty of assholes anywhere else in the world.

I don't know. I hear scary things that give me the impression the draft may be returning. I'm not sure if I'd rather flee or go to jail in protest. Jail is a scary prospect. I'm over 40 too, though, so I'm getting too old for the draft anyway, I'd guess. Who knows how desperate they might become in the future? I do have a girlfriend who lives in Canada, and I have lived in Canada, so it's not as if I don't have any way out. Although, she was planning to move here eventually.

 

Anyway, yes, you're so right. That's a problem with the politically correct crowd of so-called Leftists that I was talking about, in my view, what you mention in your first paragraph. People don't want to face the realities or actually do any research about why things are the way they are. They feel content to attack anything that they perceive as racist or sexist, even things that really aren't an issue, and feel good about themselves for doing so. Actual racists are vile people, as it's one of the lowest forms of an excuse for a human to judge anyone based on how they were born versus the type of person they are, but if the whole intent is just to make themselves feel better for being "privileged white middle class and educated", then they're really just another part of the problem, feeding in to the divide mentality that keeps the elite in positions of power.

 

Taking this conversation back to HB, since that's where we're posting, I found the current incarnation of Constantine: The Hellblazer so devoid of any political content. I was surprised to see people claiming it's part of some so-called Left-Wing political agenda, just the fact that JC was portrayed as openly bisexual. I can only remember one issue of the series dealing with any actual political content. Compare that with Jamie Delano's run on Hellblazer, which was so overtly political. I could understand people on the Right maybe feeling negative about the Delano Hellblazer. Yet, it was this depoliticized Constantine: The Hellblazer, with its portrayal of John, that led to so much backlash about a "political agenda". I find that absurd.

Instead of considering a Left-Wing that tackles real issues with radical proposals, the concept of diversity has become considered a "Left-Wing political agenda" in today's climate.

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Taking this conversation back to HB, since that's where we're posting, I found the current incarnation of Constantine: The Hellblazer so devoid of any political content. I was surprised to see people claiming it's part of some so-called Left-Wing political agenda, just the fact that JC was portrayed as openly bisexual. I can only remember one issue of the series dealing with any actual political content. Compare that with Jamie Delano's run on Hellblazer, which was so overtly political. I could understand people on the Right maybe feeling negative about the Delano Hellblazer. Yet, it was this depoliticized Constantine: The Hellblazer, with its portrayal of John, that led to so much backlash about a "political agenda". I find that absurd.

Instead of considering a Left-Wing that tackles real issues with radical proposals, the concept of diversity has become considered a "Left-Wing political agenda" in today's climate[

 

very much true.that is another thing that has been missing from hellblazer and constantine as a whole--the fact that john is a "working class warlock" and for the people.not touched on just the fact that he is openly queer,which in today's world makes perfect since for him to be so.i also fail to see an alleged politicak agendas--that also discounts all the right wing and central lgbt folks.if "caitlin" Jenner is anything to go by ,queer does not mean leftist.and in all honesty if it had an agenda,it might have even been a better read.

 

one thing about old hellblazer [mostly delano run though and a few others,kinda fizzled out by milligan to my understanding of the bit i read and as sick as it was,azarello's run had shades of it in the background or at least aknowledged the existanc eof racism and such].

 

nowadays,it wouldn't be weird to see a modern john hanging around on forums having a conversation like the one we're having now. I think maybe the character didn't age well ,like superman didn't age well--i think it's clever how marvel pulled the 'man out of time ' thing with captain america especially the movies,it was quite a brilliant idea.

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I always liked that John was an older guy though. Maybe it's because of my own age. The idea of John on the internet or with a cell phone just seems wrong to me. I guess to readers younger than me, though, it seems weird to read about a guy who doesn't have much knowledge about any of that technology.

There's an issue of Planetary by Warren Ellis (if you haven't read that series yet, I highly recommend the first three TPBs, as it's some of the best comics ever, in my opinion) where he has an homage to John Constantine, basically saying that the character is still living in the 1980s, and was never brought forward in time. You might find yourself agreeing with that assessment, and this was written in, I want to say, 2001.

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I always liked that John was an older guy though. Maybe it's because of my own age. The idea of John on the internet or with a cell phone just seems wrong to me. I guess to readers younger than me, though, it seems weird to read about a guy who doesn't have much knowledge about any of that technology.

There's an issue of Planetary by Warren Ellis (if you haven't read that series yet, I highly recommend the first three TPBs, as it's some of the best comics ever, in my opinion) where he has an homage to John Constantine, basically saying that the character is still living in the 1980s, and was never brought forward in time. You might find yourself agreeing with that assessment, and this was written in, I want to say, 2001.

 

In all honesty ,if they wanna bring it up to day,maybe they should leave JC alone and take it to the next generation maybe? Idk. Rose constantine was his daughter in injustice--I don't seewhy a series about her would be a bad idea,with John hovering around ocasionally or something.

 

And I have heard of planetary-will look into that for myself as a birthday treat :)

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