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On 11/14/2017 at 3:42 PM, dogpoet said:

The really weird thing is that they're replacing male characters with female ones, rather than just starting new titles around their existing (and often underused) female characters.

I assume it's their attempt to have their cake and eat it took.

Start up female centered series in line with the editorial mandate.

And still keep the old title technically around and hope the old fans and subscribers will stick around.

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dogpoet    467

Meh. If they want to replace Tony Stark with a female character, Oubliette Midas seems a shoo in given the way they've been using her since they stopped denying the Morrison Marvel Boy series even exists a few years back: apart from anything else, she can probably afford to buy out Stark Industries...

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Christian    756

heh. Bill Mantlo wrote a story-arc back in the 1970s where her father (Midas) bought out Stark's company.

Yes, which is why there should be some sort of in-story reason and build-up for the newer character to take over. Tony Stark's death was the "big event" in Civil War II, to make people want to read that piece of crap (because Marvel learned that they need to have some sort of big death in every one of their cross-overs to make people even care at this point).

This may have been Bendis' idea all along, since he was writing Iron Man and writing Civil War II and created Riri Williams. However, you can't ever trust Bendis to do anything right in 2017. He seems to have forgotten everything he knows about writing, and figures that readers should just buy in to anything he puts on the page, regardless of how badly he builds up his plots.

Like, Pepper Potts took over as Iron Man for a brief period of time a few years back. I didn't hear many complaints about that story, because Pepper Potts was an established part of Iron Man's supporting cast since the beginning. Marvel was giving her a bigger role. Fans aren't so upset when a character who exists in the world of the main character is given a more prominent role in the title. Marvel just needs to build these things up in a better way, and not do the same sorts of stories at the same time.

Unfortunately, Iron Man doesn't have much of a supporting cast anymore....just like Spider Man (!)....because Marvel doesn't care about such concepts anymore. They'd rather focus on Iron Man and Carol Danvers fighting with each other over who is the biggest authoritarian in the Marvel Universe, because that's what superhero fans want to read about when they pick up a superhero comic!

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4 minutes ago, Christian said:

heh. Bill Mantlo wrote a story-arc back in the 1970s where her father (Midas) bought out Stark's company.

Fair enough. I didn't know that, and thought he was something else Morrison had made up from scratch for that story: it was only the Kree and Duggan in that I thought he hadn't. (Pretty sure that was The Raft's first appearance as well, come to that, though he might have been setting that up for Bendis...)

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Christian    756

Yeah, Morrison basically reinvented the character from scratch, but Midas was an old Iron Man villain. Morrison created his daughter though.

He first appeared in Iron Man #17.

Iron Man #107

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2 minutes ago, Christian said:

Yeah, Morrison basically reinvented the character from scratch, but Midas was an old Iron Man villain. Morrison created his daughter though.

He first appeared in Iron Man #17.

Iron Man #107

What year did this "final showdown" take place exactly ? : P

Also, has Bendis just gone completely to shit ? I've not read a ton of his stuff but I kept hearing really positive things about him around the mid 2000's.

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Christian    756

That cover is from 1978!

Yeah, he's a horrible writer now. He started out as a really good writer, on books like Daredevil, Alias, and Ultimate Spider Man. They are all worth reading. Well, half of his run on DD anyway, as he over-stayed his welcome.

Since that point, he's been basically unreadable. I think he just decided he doesn't need to try anymore. He became a really "hot" writer while working on DD and Ultimate Spider Man, and Marvel started giving him all sorts of big assignments, because it was thought that Bendis' name could sell comics. The stuff he started writing for Marvel was just unreadable (he has major flaws as a writer and they were hidden by his earlier work, but they became more prevalent the further from his comfort zone he got, like writing Avengers or big cross-over events), but fans still wanted to read Bendis' comics. In more recent years, though, most fans have woken up and realized that the great writer writing DD, Alias, and USM is long gone, and that he just writes whatever he feels like writing and expects the readers to just accept it.

It's what happens when a writer's ego gets too out of control. They think that they're so great that they don't need to put any thought or effort in to their books, and they are happy to just rake in the cash.

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