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The Hellblazer #16 and beyond

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Christian    805

Nope. Not going to do this anymore. Hellblazer just does not interest me anymore.

Can't DC spare a few bucks to get some decent artists? I know there are plenty out there, so why do they insist on putting artists who draw like they're doing an animated series on this book?

Hellblazer has obviously gone all multi-cultural, with each story-arc featuring a new culture's mythology as their "demon" of the month. Some people will probably get offended to see a Hindu/Buddhist deity lumped in with "demons" though.

The issue read as if it were being written on auto-pilot. As if someone entered a general description of John and some of his lines in to a computer, and this is the story that the computer wrote.

So, this officially marks my ending with John Constantine. It was fun once upon a time, now it's a chore. This was the last chance I was giving the book, with Kadrey taking a stab at Generic Johnny.

The best part of the issue was the "DC Essential Graphic Novels of 2017" ad, where the superheroes all look really gloomy and sober while they're reading DC comics. I guess I can understand the sentiment.

Not a bad cover though.

Hellblazer #16A

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I have to agree, this one wasn't very good at all. Stuff happens here, but it's mostly the same old Hellblazer cliches and I can't find myself caring about any of it. John is just moving through the motions in this issue - auto-pilot is a very good term to describe how this issue feels.

Is Davide Fabbri the only artist left in the industry willing to work on Hellblazer? I found his art utterly unfitting for a Hellblazer book when he first popped up during the very worst of Oliver's run and it hasn't improved with Kadrey - and judging by solicits, it seems he's on this book for the long haul. It's kind of hard to sell Hellblazer as a horror book when it more closely resembles an afterschool cartoon special - I'm half expecting these Scooby-Doo demons to start lecturing John on the dangers of smoking and drinking.

I'm probably out for the rest of Kadrey's stay.

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Yeah, I was a fan of Seeley's arc, but Kadrey's first issue left me totally cold.  I'm not a fan of Fabbri's artwork at all, it's so pedestrian and uninteresting, which I guess fits with the stories he's been slotted to draw both for Oliver and now this.  I'm glad Seeley's back in a few issues.

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dogpoet    496
On 22/11/2017 at 10:45 PM, Christian said:

The best part of the issue was the "DC Essential Graphic Novels of 2017" ad, where the superheroes all look really gloomy and sober while they're reading DC comics. I guess I can understand the sentiment.

"You don't have to be an immortal Kryptonian to wade through this shite month after month, but it helps..."

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A. Heathen    1,170

Not sure this merits a thread per issue these days. 

 

So I really like the variant cover for #17.

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And the second part makes way more sense. Raising the score to a massively underwhelming 5/10 for me.

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Finally got around to reading it, still think it's terrible.  And that art, god damn does it suck.  Kadrey's arc can't end soon enough.

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Christian    805

The good news is that DC's Huntress is going to be the guest-star in the next story-arc. That's what the Hellblazer fan-base has been awaiting. I'm glad I've put all this behind me. It's hilarious that John Constantine (one of the greatest characters ever created in comics) is so far below the quality level of a Snagglepuss comic book. Imagine if a time traveler were to go back to 1988 and tell someone this, he would never be believed. Ah, how the mighty have fallen.

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That's not all! The latest solicits reveal that concurrent to the adventures of Huntress and John, John's going to be guest-starring in the Green Lanterns book too.

Forget those Swamp Thing yarns, this is the definitive Hellblazer Goes Green story we've been waiting for! And given that a lantern is basically the same thing as a lamp, and lamps are what those pesky genies like to hang out in, could this be the long-awaited return of the dastardly Djinn? :boogie:

(I guess we're getting back to where John was during the New 52, where DC was having him guest-star in every book from I, Vampire to Amethyst only now its random superhero books instead of fellow "Dark" titles)

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Dave    284

Well, these two issues were a huge step back. after Seeley's issues that almost felt like proper Hellblazer, we have returned to the middling stories of Famous Magician Nu52 John and a quest for a magic gun.

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A. Heathen    1,170

There is a lot to like about the latest arc.  Demons and gangs etc

The art is dynamic.

I got a bit lost on the gang lingo and the syntax of the possessor of Ames.

Do they mean snatch? Is that sexist in America too?

Okay. Probably 6 out of 11

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Christian    805

"Snatch" can have two slang meanings. Yes, one is sexist. The term can also be slang for a robbery, where the stolen goods as referred to as a "snatch". The two terms are pretty much related, just one relates to goods, while the other relates to the female sex.

I'm not sure of the context, because I'm not reading HB anymore. I'd assume it's probably related to a heist or kidnapping though, because HB is a DC Comic, not an Avatar book.

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A. Heathen    1,170

There are two references to snatch, both referring to females. BUT they changed it to "snitch" which means something else all together in UK crime terms.

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Christian    805

Huh. Unless the female was kidnapped.... 

Yeah, a snitch is someone who informs on someone else.

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A. Heathen    1,170

I know that, just wasn't sure about whether this was an editorial @@@@ up or the modern kids slang.

LIke I said, the slang terms are a little too over-powering, and yet strangely under-done.
eg they all call each other "bruv" and one of the characters is called Joey Bruv and it's a story revolving around to brothers from London's old school mob generation.
They also call everyone "fam" which I'd understood as close friends/allies.
 

 

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dogpoet    496

That's a nice page.

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Dave    284

So I finally got around to reading 21 and enjoyed it for the most part, but as Ade was saying, the slang is very strange. It's almost too much, really.

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Christian    805

I'm glad to see they decided to drop the idea that he was born in 1954, but was still drawn as looking like he was in his 20s or 30s.

Actually, isn't this the 31st anniversary of Hellblazer? It started in 1987, so yeah, the maths adds up. Sadly, DC is probably still trying to go with the idea that John is a man in his 60s.

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Regarding all the slang, is Tim Seely English or American?  I always assumed he was from the States, no particular reason why though.  If he IS American that could be the cause for the overabundance of slang, he's going too far to fake the authenticity.  I'm still digging his work on the series, though, FAR better than Kadrey, Oliver, or Mina.

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1 hour ago, Ixnay by Night said:

Regarding all the slang, is Tim Seely English or American?  I always assumed he was from the States, no particular reason why though.  If he IS American that could be the cause for the overabundance of slang, he's going too far to fake the authenticity.  I'm still digging his work on the series, though, FAR better than Kadrey, Oliver, or Mina.

Seeley's an American. The "misfired attempt at authenticity" been my theory regarding the gang-slang as well.

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DC solicits for August were released yesterday, no new issue of Hellblazer.  Looks like its cancelled at the end of Seeley's current arc in July.  Maybe it'll get another relaunch with all the other DC relaunches in the fall?  They "cancelled" Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps as well, and that's rumored for a relaunch by Morrison of all people, so who knows what they'll do with Constantine.

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Christian    805

Wow! Is DC Comics going to actually fix their line so their books are worth reading again? I am definitely interested in a Grant Morrison Green Lantern run.

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