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What did you think of Hellblazer #201  

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They were rebuilding part of the bridge (to the right of that photo, off camera) or something, so we wouldn't have been able to get the same shot that was on the cover anyway.

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HELLBLAZER#202.REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL. A lame prediction.

 

I am going on a limb here but I predict that Carey aint gonna kill a major supporting cast member. Secondly That Evil Twin of John. What is he, the "Evil John" with the crimson right, eh? Anyway He is the answer I feel somehow.

 

SPOILERS

 

I keeping thinking about that trippy sequence in a previous issue, where the FIRST and THE TWIN are in a circle and talk how they are in his future. Plus THE PHANTOM STRANGER bit. I think that will pop once more before the four-parter is over.

 

:icon_2gun: Can somebody tell just what the hell is the guys powers if any. I hear a lot of talk but never see him do anything. :icon_twosgun:

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I am going on a limb here but I predict that Carey aint gonna kill a major supporting cast member. Secondly That Evil Twin of John. What is he, the "Evil John" with the crimson right, eh? Anyway He is the answer I feel somehow.

 

SPOILERS

 

I keeping thinking about that trippy sequence in a previous issue, where the FIRST and THE TWIN are in a circle and talk how they are in his future.

 

The First and Demon Constantine appeared in Stations of the Cross, though you probably couldn't tell because of the lame Frusin art. Demon Constantine was in the big double-page splash at the end of Part 2, and I think he may have spoken in Part 3. The only one from the trippy sequence who didn't appear (to my recollection) was Triskelle, the snakebone demon, and I reckon that's more the editor's fault than anything else.

 

Also, the trippy sequence specified a five-day time limit but this storyline is set six weeks after Staring at the Wall (and therefore about five weeks after Happy Families).

 

Sorry. You might be right, though.

 

:icon_2gun: Can somebody tell just what the hell is the guys powers if any. I hear a lot of talk but never see him do anything. :icon_twosgun:

 

The Phantom Stranger? He seems to be able to do whatever the writer needs him to do. Most of the time he just seems to float around in the background of other peoples' stories and give cryptic clues now and again (like a much more pretentious Constantine).

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The only one from the trippy sequence who didn't appear (to my recollection) was Triskelle, the snakebone demon, and I reckon that's more the editor's fault than anything else.

 

I am intrigued. Who is she and which issue did she pop in? Any cool story on her.

 

 

 

Also, the trippy sequence specified a five-day time limit but this storyline is set six weeks after Staring at the Wall (and therefore about five weeks after Happy Families).

 

Whoops. My Bad. :unsure:

 

 

The Phantom Stranger? He seems to be able to do whatever the writer needs him to do. Most of the time he just seems to float around in the background of other peoples' stories and give cryptic clues now and again (like a much more pretentious Constantine).

 

:p

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I am intrigued. Who is she and which issue did she pop in? Any cool story on her.

 

Triskelle is the Wyrm Queen and leader of the succubi. She first appeared in Hellblazer 66, "This is the diary of Dnny Drake" (soon to appear in the Rare Cuts collection), then again in 59-61 where she helped The First hunt down Ellie. After being beaten by John yet again, the First skewered her head on a spike.

 

Still, that didn't keep her down - she was back leading the succubi in 128, when she made a brief cameo.

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I am, the American guy doing a Brit book. As much as I research I find that I still fuck it up on occasion (I'm talking geographically), and these mooks here at the boards are all too happy to point it out (yes, the lamp posts on 201)

 

Woah ! Woah !

Now wait there just a cotton-picking moment !

Do you mean #202 ?

Who told you those lamp-posts were wrong ?

 

Several of the bridges have such ornate lights and the ones on Westminster Bridge look something like this

Westminster%20Bridge.jpg

 

Ade to the rescue again . . . I am blissfully exonerated from my supposed gaff!

- TB

PS - Not sure but I thought somewhere, someone here on the boards commented that they had not seen those lamps recently. I didn't think the pic was THAT old, but who was I to argue?

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#202 Solid Issue. "Event Horizon" reminds me of the old Japenese Horror films.

 

I know this is off topic but please forgive me.

 

About the Cover Tim. I think it aces to uses some digital camera effects, but its a thin line that one can cross from brilliance to crap. Now as an artist I am sure you constantly wanting to learn new techniques and ways to break the convention. In your personal opinion do you think that this CGI mode of comic books is a fad or the future. ADI GRANOV is doing IRON MAN completely CGI. I never thought I would see that. I remember CHUCK AUSTEN'S WAR MACHINE. (I see a pattern). McKeans SANDMAN/THE DREAMING cover were a great use technology. Can we expect some more experimental covers in HELLBLAZER?

 

Keep up the Great Work :cool:

 

Thanks Damien.

To answer your question, I don't think it's just a fad. However, I don't think digital will completely replace hand drawn/hand colored artwork completely either. A digital "look" fits some material and there is every reason that it should be attempted on such material. The results get better and better each time we see something new. Look how far we've come since Pepe Moreno's digital Batman book from the late 80's (sorry, can't remember the title). I'm not a huge fan of the "video game" look of a lot of the digital art I see in comics. I especially abhor most of the digital coloring I see. Most of it is WAY overdone in my opinion. It's like, "Hey, let's see how much we can do to overpower the artist's work and show off all the neat tricks we learned." Most colorists are frustrated artists and actually don't really know coloring to save their asses. The good ones are to few in number, though I should state that I don't see everything and am strictly talking about most books I see. I'm not even very impressed with certain colorists who have pulled in the coveted Eisner award in recent years (no names).

 

But I'm off on a tangent, to get back to the point I think there are quite a few massively talented digital artists out there but many of them incorporate traditional drawing into the digital as well, look at Ben Templesmith for a shining example. If anything, I believe that as we are still on the cusp of this new technology and as such we see too many artists who's work is derivative of other artists, same methods, similar styles. sometimes it's hard to tell them apart, even with a more discerning eye. It's a tool. The more tools we artists have the more variety, the more experimentation, the more we grow and evolve.

 

I most certainly will be using more and more digital as I go on but in my particular case I feel that the entire package is better served by tempering overuse and finding a balance between practical and digital, merging the two into one.

 

- TB

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PS - Not sure but I thought somewhere, someone here on the boards commented that they had not seen those lamps recently. I didn't think the pic was THAT old, but who was I to argue?

 

They were talking about the old-fashioned streetlamps on the last page of 201. So it's Manco's mistake, not yours.

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Pepe Moreno's digital Batman book from the late 80's (sorry, can't remember the title).

 

 

Aha. That's my cue...BatMark to the rescue.

 

Batman: Digital Justice is the book to which you refer. And you're very right. 'Dated' doesn't even begin to do it justice.

 

moreno_pepe_digitaljustice.jpg

 

See?

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PS - Not sure but I thought somewhere, someone here on the boards commented that they had not seen those lamps recently. I didn't think the pic was THAT old, but who was I to argue?

 

They were talking about the old-fashioned streetlamps on the last page of 201. So it's Manco's mistake, not yours.

 

Thank you for your well informed clarification Scabo!

By the way, I think your vaginal reference to "Nun's chuff" was more on the money in reference to the line in 201. I mean these are virgin's we're talking about, what could be more tight than a . . . I'll stop there. The comedic, off-handed analogy makes much more sense in this sense.

- TB

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What the fuck was the title Mark?

Still can't recall.

I remember I was really bummed by this 'cause I did not like the results, and LORD, was I ever a huge Pepe Moreno fan. I gotta find out what hapened to him.

- TB

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Sorry, Tim - forgot to mention the title. The post has been edited - and yes, it was a pretty frustratingly bad comic. Haven't read any other Moreno that I can recall - any recommendations?

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Sorry, Tim - forgot to mention the title. The post has been edited - and yes, it was a pretty frustratingly bad comic. Haven't read any other Moreno that I can recall - any recommendations?

 

His work showed up a lot in two magazines throught the 80's, Marvel's Epic Illustrated (cheap back issues can be found at any decent sized convention), and Heavy Metal.

Most of his work was collected into hardcover stuff, check Bud Plant and do a search for 'ol Pepe, You're bound to run into some of his work.

 

- TB

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JAMES: Never heard "chuff" to mean fart or anus. Maybe it's an Australian thing? Or possibly just an "everywhere outside of Yorkshire" thing.

 

I don't think we'll ever know.

 

The 2002 edition of Roger's Profanisaurus gives:

Chuff 1. v. To pass wind, shoot a bunny rabbit. 'Oops! Best open a window vicar. I've just chuffed.' 2. n. Vagina, lady's front bottom. 3. n.zoo. Anus of a gnat.

 

The subsequent derivatives of the word are all based on definition 2, except for "chuff-nuts".

 

On the other hand, A Dictionary of Slang - Slang and Colloquialisms of the UK (http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/c.htm) gives:

chuff

Noun. 1. Rubbish, nonsense. E.g."That film was a load of chuff."

2. The anus. [Aust.]

3. The vagina.

4. A passing of wind from the anus, a 'fart'.

 

The Dictionary's claim that "the anus" is of Australian origin is questionable - I've never heard the word chuff used in Australia at all.

 

We never used to have this sort of discussion in the House of Vertigo group. :)

 

- Jason

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By the way, I think your vaginal reference to "Nun's chuff" was more on the money in reference to the line in 201. I mean these are virgin's we're talking about, what could be more tight than a  . . . I'll stop there. The comedic, off-handed analogy makes much more sense in this sense.

- TB

 

Er . . .OK Let me edit myself. Obviously not all nuns are virgins. What in the chuff was I thinking?

You get the idea though.

- TB

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Ah, the enriching and educational uses of the internet.

 

the_gentrifier.png

 

I say, who's for some pornography?

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...in the chuff was I thinking

 

So, do you do a lot of your thinking in vaginas? Or, for that matter, in gusts of gastric wind? Your public demands to know...

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On the subject of digital art: What do you guys think about Red Star? I own the first trade and I think it's pretty pretty, actually.

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PS - Not sure but I thought somewhere, someone here on the boards commented that they had not seen those lamps recently. I didn't think the pic was THAT old, but who was I to argue?

 

They were talking about the old-fashioned streetlamps on the last page of 201. So it's Manco's mistake, not yours.

 

Those pesky artists with their pesky "Artistic Licence".

You've been on the street where the one on the left is placed.

 

You have to remember that London is full of such retro street furniture.

It's what the tourists do want.

lamps.jpg

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Do your research, Ade.

 

And though he's not a Brit, I think we can leave the lamp-posts as a bit of artistic licence since the story seems to be a riff on traditional horror tales.

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Do your research, Ade.

 

And though he's not a Brit, I think we can leave the lamp-posts as a bit of artistic licence since the story seems to be a riff on traditional horror tales.

 

Yes. That is why I referred to Artistic Licence.

 

As in it's not so much a *mistake* or "artistic licence" as using something that actually exists. Having twice been caught out by this sort of thing, you'd best be careful ... what about that lorry in #202 ?!!!

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