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Who is the Most Hated Man in comics?

Who do you HATE most?  

26 members have voted

  1. 1. Who do you HATE most?

    • 1.Todd McFarlane
      11
    • 2.Rob Liefield
      5
    • 3.Chuch Austen
      3
    • 4.John Byrne
      1
    • 5.Warren Ellis
      1
    • 6.Dave Sim
      1
    • 7.Howard Mackie
      0
    • 8.Other (please explain)
      4


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The Case:

 

1.McFarlane-He's a liar and an egomaniac who tried to screw over one of the most-beloved writers in comics (Neil Gaiman). He turned the shoddy pseudo-indy publisher into another Marvel wasteland. He made genius savant Alan Moore write pointless blather such as "Voodoo" and "Violator". He spent millions upon millions of dollars just to say he "has some balls".

 

2.Rob Liefield-He draws half-naked women with anatomically impossible boobs. He draws men so muscular that their head looks like a pea and then puts them in tight clothes. He can't write a plot if his mother's life depended on it. He once told his fans that his books were so late because he's a "coke fiend".

 

3.Chuck Austen-He's a whiny little baby who blames his past for the reason that his comics suck. He single-handedly messes up every comic he writes and then he whines about it being the fans fault. He writes like a 6-year old, but claims that he should only write "mature readers" books because of his past in the porno business. He claimed he fired himself from his own creator-owned title and wrote under different names because he was sure that "trolls had brainwashed us comic fans against the name Chucky Austen". He named a damn comic line after himself.

 

4.John Byrne-He's old and bitter and fans claim he doesn't respect anyone else in the comic business other than himself. He used to be a brilliant writer and artist in the 1980s, now he can't really find a job. More to be pitied than hated.

 

5.Warren Ellis-Just wanted to put a fan fave author on the poll. He loves his decompression, nanotechnology, and superheroes (whoops! Don't let him know I said that. He says he HATES superheroes, he just writes them for money). He rules like Stalin on his message forums.

 

6.Dave Sim-He hates women! He's a Christian! He's a Right-Winger! He rambled on for 20 pages in every comic he wrote about why homosexual Liberal women ruined the world! Sure his "Cerebus" comic is brilliant, but what else has he done? Just stuff to make him hate us!

 

7.Howard Mackie-Yeah, no one knows or cares. He's really, REALLY bland and boring and people said he wrote under an anymous pen-name in the hopes that people would read his books. Nope, it's not your name Howie, you just have no personality!

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I had to go with "other," since Jim Shooter gets my vote.

 

Why?

 

Hmmmm, didn't want to drop the Comic's Code when running Marvel; wrote those horrible Secret Wars stories, forever spawing the awful trend of giant company-wide crossovers that plague us to this day; exploded the idea of making comics based on toy tie-ins, bombarding us with wretched titles designed ONLY to make a buck; tried to buy Marvel when it was bankrupt, and just narrowly missed succeeding, which would have been even worse than anything since. Why? Valiant Comics, Defiant Comics and Broadway Comics. I rest my case.

 

Apparently he was also quite the prick, and pretty ironfisted when it came to the content and creative decisions on titles whenever he was in charge of a publisher. Basically, if Shooter's name is ANYWHERE on the book, it's a safe bet it's terrible, or if he's at the helm of a company, it's plowing straight into the ground.

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Todd MacFarlane. All the other names on that list are just assholes, bad writers/artists, or some combination of the two (apart from Howard Mackie, about whom I have no strong feelings at all, and Dave Sim, who's exempt on the grounds of total fucking insanity), but MacFarlane's a [over-used word].

 

Plus, the worst crime any of the others are guilty of is producing books I'm not especially interested in reading. MacFarlane is actively preventing me from buying shiny new trade copies of Miracleman (I hate reading comics on a computer, but at this point it's not like I have a choice), so it's a bit of a no-brainer.

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Christian, well said about McFarlane. He's a waste.

And the thing I can't get about Chuck Austen; he worked with Neil Gaiman on Miracle Man. So one would think that he would have picked up a thing or two about writing good comics.

And Liefield. Fuckwit.

 

 

Mojo, I have to defend Shooter a little bit. He was EIC when Marvel was doing some of its best work.

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I too am going to say Todd McFarlane as the biggest asshole.

 

Leifeld is a terrible artist and writer, but doesn't seem like too bad a guy.

 

Austen is a super-asshole, but I can avoid his stuff easily.

 

I can always fall back on Byrne's good work from the 80s, so he's exempt.

 

Despite some rough patches, I think Ellis is one of my favourite writers in the industry.

 

Sim really bothers me with his psychosis, but he did to Cerebus.

 

Mackie I've never heard anything about.

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And yet another vote for McToss. I wouldn't actually mind him being an amoral moneygrubbing dick about Miracleman etc if his own comics were any good. But they aren't.

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To be fair, he drew a mean Spider-Man, back in the day. Couldn't write the character for toffee, as his own piss-awful Spider-Man title amply proved, but the art in the Michelinie/MacFarlane Amazing Spider-Man still appeals to me - good stuff, before he started believing his own hype.

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Todd: Not only is he keeping the masses from enjoying Miracleman/Marvel Man. But his attitude and work politics just suck. He owes a shitload of his writers and artists tons of money. Not to mention the guy screwed over one of the nicest and coolest writers in comic-dom. It is a sin to screw over Neil Gaiman.

 

Chuck Austen: He sucks has a writer. And ironically way before he got into comics. he did work on a porno comic. And the "fans" of the book also complained about continuity issues. Not to mention he was also an asshole to them on that.

 

Lefield: He sucks and is a moron.

 

Byrne: He can be forgiven for his FF. X-men. Superman: Man of Steel work's. But now his work is kind of asstastic. His attitude sucks online. And really It was mentioned by Kathleen David (Peter David wife) that John byrne has like 3 different person'a. John Bryne at Marvel office parties. Who is a really nice sweet man. John Byrne online. Who is a jackass and a egomanic. And John Byrne at comic cons.

 

Warren Ellis: He is sort of like Byrne. online he rants about gang bangs and other wierd shit. Yet when you meet him at cons. He is suposedly a really nice guy.

 

Reginal Hudlin: This guy is becoming the new Chuck Austen. His writing is really shitty. His Black Panther really sucks. the way he writes Spider-man blows hard. And his attitude just sucks balls. Too bad he wont get fired from BP. Because I hear that Christopher Priest is kissing his ass..

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"Mojo, I have to defend Shooter a little bit. He was EIC when Marvel was doing some of its best work"

 

I agree with this. He was EIC when Marvel was at its highest peak creatively, although it was the Editors like Harras who were really steering all the good work, while Shooter was busy coming up with ideas like "Secret Wars TWO!"

 

As far as McFarlane's writing, even though he wrote quite possibly the worst Spider Man EVER, he was decent on "Spawn" for a time. Nothing spectacular or ground-breaking, but decent doom and gloom superheroics. Of course, having a MAJOR EVENT where ACTUALLY TALENTED WRITERS work on your book is probably the funniest idea ever in comics. Then, he stopped caring and just wanted to rake in the cash cow.

His art is pretty good.

 

Reginald Hudlin-He needs to stay away from comic books, but he's supposedly a talented novelist, although I've never even seen any of his novels.

"Because I hear that Christopher Priest is kissing his ass.."

Why would Priest do that? The guy completely erased the years Priest spent making "Black Panther" an entertaining and intelligent book.

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Well, to be honest, I look at Marvel as a desolate wasteland for pretty much all of the 1980's and 1990's, so Shooter gets no credit for me for spearheading ANYTHING as EIC at the House of Ideas. Even though I read mountains of the stuff as a kid at the time, it has zero appeal now that I'm "grown up." And hey, if he was making comics for children, as I think they were almost solely doing at the time, great...but other people weren't, even then, and were pushing boundaries, so Shooter's brand of playing it safe and catering to the most broad, boring audiences possible stinks from miles away. Sure, there were a few bright spots here and there, but for the overwhelming most part, I have no time for Shooter-era Marvel, or the Defalco nonsense that followd...or the Harras debacle after THAT...

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"Mojo, I have to defend Shooter a little bit. He was EIC when Marvel was doing some of its best work"

 

I agree with this. He was EIC when Marvel was at its highest peak creatively, although it was the Editors like Harras who were really steering all the good work, while Shooter was busy coming up with ideas like "Secret Wars TWO!"

 

As far as McFarlane's writing, even though he wrote quite possibly the worst Spider Man EVER, he was decent on "Spawn" for a time. Nothing spectacular or ground-breaking, but decent doom and gloom superheroics. Of course, having a MAJOR EVENT where ACTUALLY TALENTED WRITERS work on your book is probably the funniest idea ever in comics. Then, he stopped caring and just wanted to rake in the cash cow.

His art is pretty good.

 

Reginald Hudlin-He needs to stay away from comic books, but he's supposedly a talented novelist, although I've never even seen any of his novels.

"Because I hear that Christopher Priest is kissing his ass.."

Why would Priest do that? The guy completely erased the years Priest spent making "Black Panther" an entertaining and intelligent book.

 

 

Preist was suposedly all for Hudlin writing Black Panther. I forget where i heard this. But most people seem to be saying thats the case.

 

And I havent heard of any novels Hudlin has wrote. I dont think he has wrote anything besides the House Party movies and Boomerang. Thats how he got into Marvel.

 

His Spider-man sucks ass. He needs to be shot.

 

Todd is just a buffoon. I know Tony Twist was wrong. But Todd really got what was coming to him. He still owes just about everybody in the bix who has worked for him. Lots of money. I think Bendis sued him because he didnt pay him for his work on Sam & twitch. Gaiman sued because of his work on Spawn. He owes Angle Medina money for work on Spawn. There's a lot of people in the business that Todd owes money to. He has backed down on just about every one of his contracts and deals. I dont think anybody wants to work with him anymore because of all the people he screwed over.

 

I dont see how he could do such a thing to Gaiman. I mean Gaiman is touted as one the NICEST SWEETEST guys in the biz. And Todd goes and screws the guy over.

 

He also screwed Moore over.

 

Not many people like Todd anymore.

 

Lefield is also a moron. He had a comic that ripped off Captain America and the Hulk. Also had a character who was an exact copy of Wolverine. I think Marvel basically sued his ass blind for it.

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Mojo-Marvel comics were definately not being written just for kids in the 1980s.

Denny O'Neil's "Iron Man", Claremont's "X-Men" & "New Mutants", Byrne's F.F. & "Alpha Flight", the Epic line, Miller & Nocent's D.D., DeMatteis' "Kraven's Last Hunt" non-code approved "Ka-Zar".....

 

A few might have been crap, but most of them were dark and attempting to put realism into their characters. The 1980s were such a boom period for comics, I'm hard-pressed to find any comics that were consistently bad in the the 1980s. Then Marvel began to stagnate while DC changed the face of mainstream comics.

The early-90s were a barren wasteland at Marvel though, aimed at kiddies and people who liked 3-D Foil Embossed covers.

Ellis' work and Peter David's "X-Factor" were the only comics I can stand to read from early-90s Marvel today.

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I think people really are underestimating Liefeld's evil.

 

KER-BLECH!!!

 

KA-AWFUL!!!

 

And he's got plenty of detractors out there who say he shirked on business deals, promises and payments. And, like Todd, he completely squandered the services of Alan Moore, and it's even more stupid in his case since Moore was doing GOOD work for him with Supreme.

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Mojo-Marvel comics were definately not being written just for kids in the 1980s.

Denny O'Neil's "Iron Man", Claremont's "X-Men", Byrne's F.F. & "Alpha Flight", the Epic line, non-code approved "Ka-Zar".....

 

A few might have been crap, but most of them were dark and attempting to put realism into their characters. The 1980s were such a boom period for comics, I'm hard-pressed to find any comics that were consistently bad in the the 1980s. Then Marvel began to stagnate while DC changed the face of mainstream comics.

The early-90s were a barren wasteland at Marvel though, aimed at kiddies and people who liked 3-D Foil Embossed covers.

Ellis' work and Peter David's "X-Factor" were the only comics I can stand to read from early-90s Marvel today.

 

Hey, I guess we come from different perspectives. I remember Alpha Flight and Ka-Zar being laughably bad. And the other titles, for me, definitely represent the MINORITY of Marvel titles in that decade. And I don't give Shooter ANY credit for anything having to do with Epic...that was Goodwin's baby all the way.

 

Star Comics, Secret Wars and Rom The Space Knight...that's what Marvel in the 80's mostly means to me. Fie on them.

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That constitutes about 50 comic books over 10 years!

As far as Ka-Zar and Alpha Flight, it was only for about the first 12 issues that they were good, under Bruce Jones and John Byrne respectively. After that, Marvel lost its nerve and put the Code back on them and hired out hacks to write them.

 

You're right about Liefield and Moore! Anyone who messes with "Supreme" deserves to be tarred and feathered!

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And who insisted that Marvel stick to the Code on all of its titles when he took over as EIC?

 

Yup, that's right...JIM SHOOTER.

 

"BOO THIS MAN!!!"

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Yeah, Devin falls under "Other". I have no real complaint against her, but I've never read anything good by her.

I left off lots of other possible choices, such as Doug Moench. A man I thought was the worst writer in comics until Chuck Austen came along.

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Funny thing about Hudlin is that when people question his work. He calls them a racist. I think he said that anybody who doesnt like his work. Is a racist. He wasnt joking. Because just about anytime people question his writing. He goes off on them. Calling them racist and shit like that. Rather than actually trying to defend his work. He tends to pull the race card.

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Can we include Devin Grayson in this,too? Her run on Nightwing chased me away from the Bat-Titles for life.

 

Some of Grayson's early Gotham Knights issues were solid, though. Dunno what happened to her, 'cos you're right in saying that her Nightwing is toss.

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toss between McFarlane and Leifeld for me. both of them have screwed over creators big time (Todd both Gaiman and Moore, Leifeld mostly Moore), and both are responsible for the 'big tits and ugly feet' style of superhero art (though I'll gladly admit that McFarlane can actually draw - some of his Spiderman stuff was great).

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What Mark said about McFarlane. I do agree somewhat with Christian on Ellis but I think it's hilarious because a friend of mine did meet him in person and he sweetly autographed her Jenny Sparks t-shirt :biggrin:

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Todd's a twat but I love his toys so i can't hate him.

 

I guess I'll just go for Chuck Austen becasue everything he writes is shit.

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Wasn't Mackie behind the Spider Clone thing? I just remember reading Spidey with great art by JRJR and absolutely shit writing by Mackie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah i'm a golden boy. :D

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