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Hardcore stuff please....no fluffy jap flicks. I have got a a couple but its something i dont really keep up with so any suggestions would be good.

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Hardcore stuff please....no fluffy jap flicks. I have got a a couple but its something i dont really keep up with so any suggestions would be good.

Cheers

HB :biggrin:

 

 

Akira

Steamboy

Perfect Blue

Millenium Actress

Tokyo Godfathers

Princess Mononoke

End of Evangelion (but you have to watch the ENTIRE series Neon Genesis Evangelion first)

Gin Ro: The Wolf Brigade (spelling?)

Ghost in the Shell

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when i was a kid, they were called 'japanimation'. those were the days. read all of akira and watch the movie if you must.

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I havent watched much new anime in a while actually now that I think about it, but apart from all the ones already mentioned, I do recommend Patlabor 1 & 2, Spirited Away...I havent seen Nausica of the Valley of the Wind, but if its anything like Miyazaki's other work, it would be well worth your time...

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There's even a Van Helsing anime that's pretty cool (not the one associated with the Hugh Jackman flick).

 

Although, the Van Helsing animated movie that is associated with the HJ flick is pretty entertaining as well.

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This is probably too mainstream, but I'd say try to get "Great Teacher Onizuka", it's got the same voice actor from Cowboy bebop (this guy does everything!!!), And it's actually pretty funny.

 

Golden Boy.

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Hear hear for Ninja Scroll. Fucking ace; tons of barely coherent, overblown, flashy action with all ninjas an' that :D

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All of the above.

 

 

Oh..this just in the guy behind Vampire Hunter D: BloodLust and Ninaj Scroll is doing a Highlander anime movie.

 

This has me scared.

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Akira

Vampire Hunter D

Wicked City has moments but is bloody strange in others (in the same way I think Perfect Blue is but still haven't seen it)

Appleseed

Ghost in the Shell

Tokyo Babylon (although the main characters' sister needed to be killed off in the first few minutes)

Cyber City OEDO 808 - All three episodes - NICE! - although like all 18 cert animes swearing translates badly so characters are effing their way through the film.

Judge

Ninja Scroll is brilliant - haven't seen sequel - same for Vampire Hunter D

Battle of the Planets - it's cheesy but the remakes can't touch it not even gatchaman

Oh and not technically japanese, but Batman Beyond is fantastic, and if you can get your hands on the region 1 Return of the Joker movie, you get the uncut 15 certificate version that's pretty damn dark for this sort of movie. And Mark Hamill's laugh as the Joker cannot be topped - although I think Frank Gorshin's from the 60s tv series was pretty manic.

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Perfect Blue

 

Absolutely, however it's practically the anti-manga film

Attacking the genre from within that said genre.

 

From it's deceptive manga like opening, it probes into an underlying paedophilia in Japanese society, pop and anime films.

It's more Hitchcock than Manga/Anime.

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agreed, but Anime isnt a genre its a medium,

 

something can taste like chicken but it cant taste like soup.

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agreed, but Anime isnt a genre its a medium,

 

something can taste like chicken but it cant taste like soup.

 

Im generally happy to give anything it's own meduim argument, however I still believe that Anime (not animated films as a whole) is still a genre, a much divorced genre of film.

 

It still shares most of film's language.

Beside the animation (CG in films is still animation too), voice actors (but still actors) and a consistant value system what else makes it differ from Film? (when things like Waking Life and Sin City are considered film).

 

Sorry if this leads to a drawn out- is, is not debate.

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Akira, Spirited Away, Utrosukidoji (tentacle porn) and Perfect Blue are not the same genre of film.

 

They are sci-fi, fantasy, niche pornography and thriller, all done using the medium of animation.

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True i may have misused the word genre.

 

But your sortings of the three examples are by their content alone.

Stylistically and in terms of their common use of specific elements of Film's pre-existing language (ie most Manga/Anime is really predated by Sergio Leone's operetic visuals and use of music), they are very much the same.

Thusly they have, like a western, genre conventions.

 

What language has Manga/Anime added that film has never had before?

As far as I'm concerned Sergio Leone both created the template for Anime and MTV.

 

Even the juxtaposition of radical styles, has been achieved in things like "Alien" juxtaposing seperate Geiger designs with the other talented bloke who did all the designs for the ships mechanical interiors).

When you know what you are looking for the styles of various director of photographies, producers, production houses and Directors and their use of language is equally different.

 

The use of music is no differant, the possible use of film language is no differant.

Again besides the actual style/signature of the animations themselves (and most conform to a set style that makes them Manga/Anime anyway), how are they a differant meduim entirely to film?

 

It's the entirely bit that needs to be achieved for anime to become reach it's own meduim.

This is usually defined through a meduims limitations.

Ie film (like Anime and Manga) is defined and limited by beiing a directed and timed image.

Comics have no actual sound or real unimplied motion.

 

Nice post signature by the way.

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I was with you at the beginning, essentially what you're pointing at if the fact that we're now quibbling over definitions.

 

But I will say that you’re imposing your own limit on Anime by stating that it’s a genre. While in the mid 90’s you could indeed buy a video under the Manga label (note the company and not the comic style) and be assured of an hour to an hour and a half packed full of all the clichés that you use to classify Anime as a genre (this was back when twats still called it japanimation, though Anime isn’t much better).

 

That was until films like and Perfect Blue and Princess Mononoke came into western consciousness. I would argue that at that point Anime was no longer seen as an animated sci-fi genre but as a medium that could be used to tell any story. It’s still evolving as we see a proliferation of anime techniques in western animation, Teen Titans and pretty much all the output from Cartoon Network in the last 5 years.

 

It’s kind of silly to be discussing this at all, seeing that the Japanese have known that their particular style of animation is a medium for a long time. After all in Japan Anime is just animation, its how Japanese animators draw their cartoons. It’s like saying that the Family Guy, Watership Down and Fritz the Cat should be lumped together because they were all drawn by western artists.

 

Moving on I never proposed that Anime was a different medium to film and I find your definition of film as a medium and mediums at all, far too narrow. The relationship between different forms of medium and media are now, in the digital culture that we live, near impossible to fence and quantify. Is the web a medium? Is digital video a medium? Paper? Shadow Theatre? Crayons? Kabuki? Modern Interpretive Dance? Are these different from film? Where do flash animations of kittens fit into this? How do you classify this web comic about 16th century lesbian catholic novices done in the style of Picasso using photo montage backgrounds? It's at the point where mediums and genres cross (like the example of Waking Life that you cited before) that truly interesting things happen.

 

These aren’t boxes that things can be placed into, the boxes are not boxed shaped anymore. They’re giant intersecting Venn diagrams of cross genre-medium-media-political-social-sociological-philological pollination…

 

and that’s pretty much why I quit film studies after a year and signed up on an engineering course.

 

CC: Tom.Paulin@thecultureshow.co.uk

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By hardcore do you mean blood, guts, and firetrucks?

Either that or schoolgirls and tentacles, I'd imagine.

If we're getting really snotty about what's anime/manga, can I mention Battle Royale at this point?

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I just got the box set of the HBO 'Spawn' series which was made in the late nineties i think and its really good...very dark.

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Ninja Scroll is brilliant - haven't seen sequel - same for Vampire Hunter D

The "sequel" you're probably referring to is "Ninja Resurrection."

It is not in fact a sequel. A word of warning: Do not bother with it. Aside from having a swordsman named Jubei, there is nothing in common between the two. Ninja Resurrection was a miniseries/ongoing cartoon that was never fully adapted for the American market. Only the first 2 episodes were finished, and they're ok, but not worth buying. I'm not sure how it got associated with Ninja Scroll (maybe the Jubei character, but Jubei is a popular swordsman of myth in Japan, much like Zatoichi or that monkey boy that has a bo and flies around on a cloud....) but it is not, I repeat NOT a sequel to Ninja Scroll. I made the mistake of buying the DVD, don't you make the same.

 

There is, however, a tv series of Ninja Scroll that was released a few years ago, and it's pretty good. Somewhat lame story, but all the good action and wacky demons of the original.....

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Ghost in the Shell II - Innocence.

Appleseed.

Jin-Roh.

I am not into the guts thingy, I can say Blood the last Vampire and little more... Neither in gore-sex... Only Urotsokiroji or whatever may be written...

Akira's nice.

Does anybody know if there's going to be a film adaptation of Paranoia Agent?

And Gantz.

I've heard that manga is serious hard stuff, but I'm not sure if there's a movie... A series for sure.

 

Hey, in Spain we also make Anime... :unsure:

Sorry for all the misinterpretation and mistakes we could do, ACX-sama...

 

It's a PDF

http://www.expo2005.or.jp/en/nations/relea...0920_spain2.pdf

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