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Well, you can learn a LOT about an age from its pornography, actually.

 

Cheeky fucking Ockker. Had any rain lately, sunshine?. All dust baths and gin WITHOUT the tonic water up your way, ain't it?.

 

:)

 

Gunna have to rename some of your tourist attractions eh?. your kids won't recognise names with the word water in them

 

Slyvannia sandhills , The Broad-no-Water, StillSand , ClearDust.

 

Sad really, we should do a swap, we often have more rain than we can dea with, and not enough sunshine.

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This topic went from talking about Garth Ennis to buggering off into a steamy load of toss.

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Cheeky fucking Ockker. Had any rain lately, sunshine?. All dust baths and gin WITHOUT the tonic water up your way, ain't it?.

 

:)

Well sucked in, squire, because it's chucking down today and it was yesterday too. On the one hand the rain spoils my daily sunbathing on my balcony, and I just put spring seeds in. On the other hand I like cold weather, so yeah, we should probably swap. :)

 

 

This topic went from talking about Garth Ennis to buggering off into a steamy load of toss.

I'll avoid the obvious response. ;)

 

This topic is a metaphor for readers' reactions to The Boys issue 2. We briefly said "meh", then started talking about the weather.

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Spider, get us the inside story man....

 

"The Boys" from Wildstorm has been a rather aggressive book so far. Extreme gore, use of the c-word (that's '[over-used word]' by the way), extreme superhero hate, Simon Pegg, all that's missing is the sex.

 

I'm told that at San Diego months ago, Wildstorm staffers were talking up the completed art for "The Boys" #3, which featured a Teen Titans-esque team in an orgy complete with a rather explicit oral image…

 

"The Boys" #3 has just been delayed. I wonder why?

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Heh, actually, Darick mentioned that yesterday. It's a week late due to some miscue with the printing company & DC, but everything's back on track now. When the title debuted, Darick was already working on issue #6. I'm not sure where he's at now, we're currently engaged in a political debate...of course...but I can ask him.

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Please do, it'll be interesting to hear what he says and compare it to what spin Rich puts on it next week!

 

Also, if it's not being too cheeky, could you ask him if he knows what the suss is with The Atheist - I don't think he's still involved with it but he might know what the story is anyway.

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OK...I'm also trying to get Wizard World Texas to invite Darick. They had him out in Philly, so why not Texas?

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Also ask him if he thinks the Boys (sounds like a gay cabret) can kick The Authorities ass.

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Well, technically, they don't exist in the same universe. While being published by Wildstorm, Ennis and Darick insisted they exist outside the DC/Vertigo/Wildstorm multiverses. I think it's so they can invent new superheroes and then kill them.

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Especially because we've actually already talked about that. They did a promo at Comicon in San Diego where people entered a contest and the ones whose names were drawn got to suggest their favorite superhero and Darick drew one of the BOYS fucking up whoever your favorite superhero was, and you got to take it home. Obviously, someone suggested Wolverine, and I tried to get him to draw Midnighter. It turned out pretty cool, I guess, but I still haven't seen any of the pics.

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Also, don't ask him that cause it'd make you look like a muppet.

 

This is Darick Robertson we're talking about, remember?

 

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Dude, you should see the Superman movie he and his buddy made when they were 10. Darick's costume was part "underoo."

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It was crap. I'm dropping this. Sure I like me some juvenile humor and violent action but this rag has neither. See ya.

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I went and called Darick a pervert on his website after reading it. I told him "I can't believe you got a nice, lovely young woman (his wife) to mate with you twice, much less once, you sick perverted miscreant!"

 

I don't know, it was funny to my 'laugh at fart jokes' adolescent self with 'over-the-top' entertainment needs. But I understand why people don't like it. I told Darick to forget about "out-PREACHER(ing) PREACHER"--they are beginning to "out-HUSTLER HUSTLER!" I also asked him if he kept a box of Kleenex by his drawring board...

 

Amazingly, the sales of the title are way up there, putting it in the top 20 for 2 of the issues out of the 3 that they have recorded stats for so far. So, while it's salacious drivel to some, that spells "HIT" to most others. Still, the perverse and amoral acts of the "Seven" go a long way to showing why it's necessary they be brought down. And, IMO, I guess I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously while lampooning the "super hero" genre which I don't care for, for the most part. It's industry self-parody, in many ways, while showing the abuse of power which would be inevitable if any of the famous "hero tales" were ever to exist in our world. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and even Krypton's last son would succumb, and Gothmam's most famous orphan would throw in the towel if he didn't fall prey to it. I mean, people with super powers being squeaky clean role models and forces for good? Highly unlikely. Seems to me they'd ALL wind up being super villains eventually.

 

But, I will say that I wish this wasn't the only project Darick was working on (he'll be doing an EXTERMINATORS--#13, I think--cover soon, but that's it). I read NIGHTCRAWLER and WOLVERINE (which I wouldn't have if he weren't the artist), but I miss him doing things like TRANSMET and PUNISHER. Now that he's with Wildstorm, hopefully he'll get a crack at THE AUTHORITY which is one of his "hopefully/maybe" goals.

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It's industry self-parody, in many ways, while showing the abuse of power which would be inevitable if any of the famous "hero tales" were ever to exist in our world. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and even Krypton's last son would succumb, and Gothmam's most famous orphan would throw in the towel if he didn't fall prey to it. I mean, people with super powers being squeaky clean role models and forces for good? Highly unlikely. Seems to me they'd ALL wind up being super villains eventually.

 

Trouble with that is, of the several dozen "what would happen if superheroes existed in the real world? Shit, they'd be power-mad fascists, wouldn't they?" deconstructivist titles written/published over the past 30 years or so, from MiracleMan though to The Authority and beyond, this is easily the most juvenile and least interesting I've yet encountered. It's a conceit which has already been done to death, and The Boys has nothing interesting to add to it, beyond the odd bit of puerile humour and wannabe-shocking sexual content, both of which Ennis himself has employed far more convincingly elsewhere.

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It would help if we hadn't had (at best) enough plot for an extra-sized first issue and probably one more regular sized issue spread over four months.

 

Seriously, aside from seeing the Boys' surveillance work in action, the only new thing that this latest issue told us is where the superpowers come from, and the only plot development came in the last five pages. This drip-feed of plotting is also what's killing Hellblazer for me at the moment, but the latest issue of The Boys suffered especially because I'd just finished reading the last Sleeper trade immediately before starting on this one, and Sleeper puts more story into twenty pages than The Boys manages in forty. The most frustrating thing about it is that Ennis is good enough to know better.

 

I know people keep trotting out the "out-Preacher Preacher" line and that Ennis was being fairly glib when he used it, but I think it's telling that Ennis thinks the defining aspect of Preacher was its use of gore and outlandish situations and not, say, its tight plotting, great character work and strong stories.

 

I'd be happy to read another retread of deconstructed superheroes if I was having fun doing so. I'll probably give issue five a flick through in the shop and if it fails to capture my interest, it'll be dropped. I may continue to download it on the off-chance that it will get really good and make me want to buy the trades, though.

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I guess it hasn't been done to death as far as my experience goes, being relatively new to comics and eschewing most super hero titles. A built-in barrier for that kind of stuff, I guess. Currently, THE BOYS is entertaining me more than THE EXTERMINATORS, which last summer, I wouldn't have imagined claiming. I didn't know if I'd like The BOYS (honestly, I had doubts) but I like it OK. But the other titles I really used to dig are falling flat, with The AUTHORITY still posting an "incomplete."

 

WALKING DEAD has picked up, fortunately. But where I once had a nice cadre of 2-3 books a week, a now have 3-4 over a month to hold my interest. Perhaps THE BOYS rate higher to me out of attrition..?

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Amazingly, the sales of the title are way up there, putting it in the top 20 for 2 of the issues out of the 3 that they have recorded stats for so far.

 

A new monthly ongoing at one of the big two, with superheroes, by Garth Ennis was always going to launch well and with the first two issues released in the same month you're not going to get the usual drop you'd expect between issues one and two. Having said that, a top 20 title these days is looking at figures around 75K, which is damned impressive.

 

The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for me was the reveal that the Boys are able to take on super folks by...taking a drug that makes them superpowered themselvezzzzzzz....

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I know people keep trotting out the "out-Preacher Preacher" line and that Ennis was being fairly glib when he used it, but I think it's telling that Ennis thinks the defining aspect of Preacher was its use of gore and outlandish situations and not, say, its tight plotting, great character work and strong stories.

 

 

And that's what i thought we would be getting when he said that: razor sharp wit, perilous action, great characters and intense situations. Instead all we get is poopfist. Plus, four issues have gone by and very little has happened. See ya.

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The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for me was the reveal that the Boys are able to take on super folks by...taking a drug that makes them superpowered themselvezzzzzzz....

 

Despite enjoying the Boys in a "no more pointless than all the serious other attempts at superheroes" manner, that irked me too.

 

I cannot believe they compared this to Preacher. It is, as my clever retitling suggests, DICKS IV.

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