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Lol, guys, this is a comic book about a blind man with super senses... a world where a guy has metallic bones in his body. :rolleyes:

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That doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't be treated with some degree of verisimillitude for the purposes of a convincing story, though. On this, I agree with kingmob (I do take mild issue with some of his other assertions, and will hopefully get round to addressing them in the morning). And Wolvy...as fine a mantra as "suspension of disbelief" may well be, you can't just keep repeating it ad infinitum as a blanket defence against all opposition.

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That doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't be treated with some degree of verisimillitude for the purposes of a convincing story, though. On this, I agree with kingmob (I do take mild issue with some of his other assertions, and will hopefully get round to addressing them in the morning). And Wolvy...as fine a mantra as "suspension of disbelief" may well be, you can't just keep repeating it ad infinitum as a blanket defence against all opposition.

Suspension of...

 

It's the first issue of this arc so really anything can happen. They didnt lure Matt there. They left because they knew at the time that Matt wouldnt be able to track them. if they left the country.

 

Matt is only wanted in america. he's not a terrorist or wanted for anything else besides abstruction of justice. So him being followed to Europe, would like mark being followed to America because of unpayed parking tickets.

 

Also the fact that really I doubt anybody in the US is going to be paying attention to small details right now. What with 90% of it's Villains and Heroes fighting each other nonstop right now. They'v got bigger fish to fry.

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The people in Spain have no idea what's going on in America because their grass huts don't have electrictity!

 

A way to avoid the problem of this and still have the superhero travel around is to work from an underground level everywhere he goes.

I mean for Superman, it's fine to bust into the government building and beat up a villain, but for people like Batman or Daredevil, the stories should really be written from a street level perspective. Yes, some people might see Batman doing his deeds, but he won't be anywhere where a huge number of people or any reporters would be able to see him, so it'd all seem like urban legend.

I think that's a good way to use suspension of disbelief and realism on the part of the writers.

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Although I enjoyed the new issue of DD, nothing much happened to advance the plot. I'm glad to see the mature use of old foes like the Matador and Tombstone, especially since they seem plausible, but all Matt did was hop all over Europe. Do you think the girl has pheromone powers like the chick from Desolation Jones? Or perhaps the Purple Man's powers?

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She's some older villainess. I can't remember who, but when I saw she able to change her scent to remind the male of someone they loved from their past, it clicked that she's an older Marvel character. I just can't remember which one now.

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Mandrill the Monkey? :)

 

Thank God it's a villian who can alter her scent, for a second there I was digging through Born Again, looking for the slightest possibility that Karen Page may have had a child during her porn days in Spain (Well they brought Bucky back didn't they? And remember the twin daughters of Gwen Stacy and Normon Osborn?).

 

I do like Brubaker's great use of the frequent impediments of Matt's supers-senses though.

But alas I am ultimately out of love with the title.

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Christian, do you know if the story arc that had Matt become amnesiac (Yawn :rolleyes: ) but believe that he was Jack Murdock (D.D's dad) :ohmy: and where Bullseye became Daredevil :ohmy: was penned by Nocenti?

It sounds like somethng she might do.

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Yes. That was at the end of Nocenti's run on D.D.

It worked far better on the page than it sounds like when you hear about it. I thought it sounded like a horrible idea, but Nocenti pulled it off pretty well.

It doesn't last overly long. Only a few issues.

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Yes. That was at the end of Nocenti's run on D.D.

It worked far better on the page than it sounds like when you hear about it. I thought it sounded like a horrible idea, but Nocenti pulled it off pretty well.

It doesn't last overly long. Only a few issues.

Cheers.

Soap opera sure, but I actually thought the idea had potential(Even when nutshelled plotwise) especially in a Daredevil context.

I just found a good D.D site that lists all the issues.

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I don't want to give too much away, but part of what I enjoyed in those issues is the portrayal of Bullseye's psychosis. He begins to believe that he is Daredevil because he wears the costume and acts like him, so in his own twisted sense of justice (although perhaps it's a more realistic sense of justice than the real Daredevil, there's that sense of moral ambiguity), Bullseye begins to rob from the rich and give to the poor. The purpose of Bullseye taking Daredevil's identity originally was to discredit him, but Bullseye's convoluted actions lead the people of Hell's Kitchen to love D.D. even more.

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I don't want to give too much away, but part of what I enjoyed in those issues is the portrayal of Bullseye's psychosis. He begins to believe that he is Daredevil because he wears the costume and acts like him, so in his own twisted sense of justice (although perhaps it's a more realistic sense of justice than the real Daredevil, there's that sense of moral ambiguity), Bullseye begins to rob from the rich and give to the poor. The purpose of Bullseye taking Daredevil's identity originally was to discredit him, but Bullseye's convoluted actions lead the people of Hell's Kitchen to love D.D. even more.

That sounds great.

I'm more interested in Matt becoming his Father though.

By becoming both a lawyer and Daredevil (Using the moniker and/or the boxing costume), it seems Matt's entire purpose in life has been to redeem his father.

 

Other people dressing as Daredevil has become a quite the Daredevil theme.

Black Panther, Spiderman, Iron Fist, Born Again's nutter, Bullseye and even Foggy have all dressed up as Horn Head.

Like some form of shadow boxing.

 

The site mentions that J.M.Dematteis wrote a few issues.

Read any?

 

And quite randomly did you perhaps read the single issue where D.D alone defeats the Absorbing Man?

Issue 300 and something.

My curiosity here was if they addressed and explored the fact that Cutter Creel (Pre his gaining of Superpowers) was the last opponent Jack Murdock fought against.

Or was that only retconned by Daredevil:Yellow?

Again more father issues.

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I hate...HATE... that the status quo was returned at the end of the most recent trade.

Agreed.

But I'm sure I've moaned enough already.

 

We all knew that it was going to happen, but I just wanted it to last just a little longer.

I'm not sure what Marvel plan to do with the self outing of Spiderman.

It'll probably be remedied by the Scarlet Witch.

 

Still Brubaker's treatment is probably far more tasteful then what's going to happen to Spiderman.

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Having just finished rereading Frank Miller's Daredevil:Man Without Fear mini at the local Cafe Nero, I then opened a random issue of Daredevil that I had felt compelled to buy for a whole 50p at the comic exchange beforehand.

 

Oddly enough it was by DeMatteis and directly followed on and up from the events of the Frank Miller mini.

Daredevil #350-With the help of Stick, the Chaste and three Daredevils( :huh: ), Matt must come to terms with the death of that woman he accidentally pushed out of that window all those years ago or face another mental breakdown (Who's counting?).

Great idea, poor 90's writing (Made worse as this was by Dematteis), but still a very nice little synchronicity afters/dessert.

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It was the most boring direction possible for Ed Brubaker to take, but that seems to be Brubaker's modus-operandi at Marvel. Pick the most famous creative team of a series and replay stories they've already told.

 

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Test-Actually I've never read any of the DeMatteis D.D. I've read, I think, everything else that DeMatteis wrote for Marvel (as well as probably 98% of everything else he's written too), but for whatever reason, I gave his run on D.D. a pass.

They're harder to find that Nocenti's run around here. That's another big reason. I picked up all the Nocenti issues from a dollar bin.

No one wants to read them, but I think it's sitting near the top of pack of comics that Marvel has published.

 

No idea what issue the Absorbing Man story might have been in. Never even heard about it.

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CBR and Brubaker on returning status quo.

(Not the band :happy: )

 

Some readers might look at the latest issue of "Daredevil" and when they see Matt Murdock practicing law and prowling rooftops as DD, wonder why Brubaker returned things to the status quo, instead of keeping Matt Murdock on the run from the law.

"I don't think things will ever be back to the full status quo where nobody thinks he's Daredevil," Brubaker told CBR News. "Brian [bendis], in his last arc on 'Daredevil,' took things that extra mile, the sort of 'What's the worst thing that can happen?'

The government finally turned on him and put Matt in jail, but once you've done that story what are you going to do?

I had him in prison. I had him on the run in Europe. After a year of telling those stories I kind of felt like I wanted to take the book in a slightly different direction.

It's a pendulum swing. In all serialized fiction there are pendulum swings. You can only take a story like that so far.

I don't think it's as much as returning to the old status quo as just saying this is now part of the status quo; most people think Matt Murdock is Daredevil.

There is an air of doubt about it; some people will think it's like a government conspiracy and he was set up, but you can't take back that much. "Eventually you've got to get back to Matt Murdock is a lawyer," Brubaker continued. "Up until 'The Murdock Papers,' Matt was practicing law in Brian's run, even while he was outed as Daredevil. One of the reasons I always liked 'Daredevil' is that Matt Murdock is a lawyer. I like that aspect of the book and wanted to sort of get back to that."

 

Hopefully we'll see this in practice.

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Personally, I totally agree with Brubaker's reasoning here. Some degree of reset was absolutely inevitable - as Brubaker points out, the status quo as of the end of Bendis' run was completely untenable in terms of long-term storytelling, and had to be adjusted at some point if the title wasn't simply to become "fugitive Matt Murdock on the run from the Law" forever (something which sounds fun, but would, in reality, get dull and limiting pretty quickly). As it stands, most of the more interesting storytelling aspects of Murdock's "outing" are still in place - most people, including his enemies, still believe Murdock to be Daredevil, with everything that implies - but legally-speaking, he's gotten away with it, so the book can retain the central lawyer/superhero dynamic, without which you haven't really got a Daredevil book anymore. Essentially, he's OJ Simpson - everyone knows he did it, but the law can't touch him. That's not a reset, it's creating a tenable new status quo, and I thought the way it was done was rather interesting.

 

I haven't enjoyed the last few issues of Brubaker's Daredevil as much as the first two arcs (although, unlike Testosterohne, I liked those first two arcs a lot - I thought they were far better than anything Bendis did after the Golden Age story, at the very least), but I'm happy to give him a good few more issues' worth of benefit-of-the-doubt, to see if he's got anything interesting planned after the current story.

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Re Daredevil #100

Fans of the court room action aspect of "Daredevil" will be excited to hear that a major legal case will come Matt Murdock's way at the end of the summer.

Brubaker said the impact of the case will be comparable to the White Tiger trial from Bendis' run. "There's some major court room stuff coming up that I've been planning since like my first issue on the book," Brubaker said.

"There's a major case that starts around issue #100, that's going to sort of redefine Matt Murdock's life for awhile; basically it's the trial to sort of save or sell his soul."

"In issue #100 we have a bunch of guest artists," Brubaker continued. "I don't have all of them confirmed, but I know John Romita Sr. is doing a few pages and I know Gene Colan is doing a few pages. We have five or six guys that are going to step in and do some different sequences during the issue, which is going to be really fun."

Never a fan of this approach, why not just hire one replacement artist?

Do multiple artists really boost sales?

 

That said, both anniversary issues by Bendis were tastefully done.

Issue 50's battle between D.D and the Kingpin throughout-the-ages was nicely integrated into he story, in fact it was very much the story.

Even the pin ups by different artists in the latter anniversary issue(#65 or #75?) were nicely revealed to be photos/FBI pinups being studied by the FBI Chief.

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Personally, I totally agree with Brubaker's reasoning here. Some degree of reset was absolutely inevitable - as Brubaker points out, the status quo as of the end of Bendis' run was completely untenable in terms of long-term storytelling, and had to be adjusted at some point if the title wasn't simply to become "fugitive Matt Murdock on the run from the Law" forever (something which sounds fun, but would, in reality, get dull and limiting pretty quickly).

As it stands, most of the more interesting storytelling aspects of Murdock's "outing" are still in place - most people, including his enemies, still believe Murdock to be Daredevil, with everything that implies - but legally-speaking, he's gotten away with it, so the book can retain the central lawyer/superhero dynamic, without which you haven't really got a Daredevil book anymore.

Essentially, he's OJ Simpson - everyone knows he did it, but the law can't touch him. That's not a reset, it's creating a tenable new status quo, and I thought the way it was done was rather interesting.

Agreed, as aforementioned I just wanted a little longer.

Despite my moans, we were lucky to have the transistion work as smoothly as it did.

I understand and agree with his approach, but it still in practice feels as if he's reset the title and not taken it his proposed middleground.

Hopefully #100 and beyond will carve out this new niche.

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Never a fan of this approach, why not just hire one replacement artist.

 

Eh...depends on the story. If it's just a straightforward issue which happens to be illustrated by a number of different artists with no rhyme or reason it doesn't usually work, but I can think of plenty of examples of excellent comics which actively rely on the stylistic variation provided by several different artists for their effectiveness. Hellblazer #200 would be just one recent (and relevant to this place) example, and the first Legends Of The Dark Knight annual is another.

 

If Brubaker had already written the script when he found out that Marvel wanted loads of different artists, it'll probably be crap. But if he knew in advance that he'd be having a number of different artists for the issue, and was able to tailor the script accordingly, it could be good. The fact that he doesn't apparently know which artists will be illustrating the book is somewhat discouraging, but everything else he says suggests that it was a deliberate creative choice, in which case I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with the issue.

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More about the villian behind the suicidal robbers and what's happening to the Gladiator.

(Unless the connection is a red herring that is) and future villians.

 

"It's a familiar villain," Brubaker said.

"I have to credit Ralph Macchio for pointing out this old Daredevil villain.

I had read just about every issue of 'Daredevil' at this point, so I knew this villain, but I actually hadn't considered much of them.

I was talking to Ralph about 'Daredevil' one day and he just sort of offhandedly suggested this character as someone who could have been a major Daredevil villain and he pointed out that up until Frank Miller, nobody really considered Bullseye to be Daredevil's arch nemesis.

So I thought, huh – taking an old Daredevil villain that has never been really seen as an arch nemesis and trying to make them a really cool and messed up villain might be fun."

 

We're also probably going to see a mixture of new and old Daredevil villains.

Right now I'm leaning towards using Ox just because I always thought Ox was such a cool looking character and I like the way Michael Lark draws big hulk like characters."

Place your bets?

Is Purple Man is too obvious?

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