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Re-Reading the trades (for the third time) at the moment and it's still kicking my arse - I reckon it belongs up there with the Vertigo greats like Preacher, Sandman et all.

 

That and on HBO, fuck-me but this stuff would make brilliant tele - not sure if Azzarello's dialogue would work when spoken out loud mind, worth a bloody shot though.

 

This thread is for talking about events which have transpired in the 100 Bullets TPBs, NO DISCUSSION OF NON-TRADED ISSUES ALLOWED

 

So, the original Minute Men that've been revealed so far :

 

Lono

Jack Daw

Cole Burns

Victor Ray

Milo Garret

Wylie Times

 

 

The new Minute Men being :

 

Dizzy

Loop

 

I'm only back-up to the end of the seventh trade but, if memory serves, we have four camps at the mo.

 

The Thrust (Trust, even, which is split - some members have approached Graves)

 

Shephard (RIP)

Dizzy

Wylie Times

 

Lono

Loop

Victor Ray

 

Graves

Cole Burns

Jack Daw

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The Thrust

 

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Wikipedia's good, though it's updated right through to the current issues. Those Minutemen codenames:

 

Cole Burns ("Wolf")

Lono ("Dog")

Wylie Times ("Point Man")

Milo Garret ("Bastard")

Victor Ray ("Rain")

Jack Daw ("Monster")

XXX NEW CHARACTER ("Saint")

 

As far as I can see, if Loop and Dizzy are being trained to become Minutemen, then they're both going to be fighting over one slot (Milo's)...

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Actually James, I'm not entirely sure, but I think that Graves may have said in the eighth volume that Dizzy was the one taking over for Milo.

 

Remember, Graves has wanted Lono out of the way for a long time now (or, at least, has not wanted him to be part of the new Minutemen). I'm personally thinking that Graves is going to have Lono train Loop, and then turn it around on him, and have Loop take out Lono as some sort of initiation. Just a guess, though.

 

And, for my money, 100 Bullets is my favourite currently-running comic on the market, and the only one I've been managing to keep up with in these months of unemployment.

 

That said, did anyone understand the meeting between Graves and Augustus in the ninth trade?

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Didn't Graves have Dizzy kill Shephard with the old Croatoa trick ? After he tried to set Wylie on him ? I don't see her joining up with him at all.

 

Lono is training Loop but given that Lono hates Graves with a passion, I doubt Loop will be hooking up with the old man.

 

Lono and Shephard had a weird kind of hate-hate relationship but I reckon it's building towards...

 

Lono

Dizzy

Wylie Times

Loop

Victor Ray

Benito's faction of the Trust

 

vs

 

Graves

Cole Burns

Jack Daw

...and maybe the two other old Minutemen

Megan's faction of the Trust

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I'm not sure if it was Graves' intention to have Dizzy kill Shepherd. At least, not at that time. She heard the word from Wylie, only accidentally, as he was speaking in confidence with Shepherd.

 

Right now, I think it looks more like:

 

Lono

Loop

Victor

 

vs.

 

Graves

Cole

The Saint

Jack (maybe)

 

vs.

 

Dizzy

Wylie

Benito

Branch

 

vs.

 

The Trust

 

 

I'm hoping for one massive throwdown to come along, soon.

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Oi, The Saint hasn't shown up in the trades - careful there!

 

Also, Megan got shot at the end of nine so obviously she won't be doing much for the rest of the story.

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No worries JMac, I'm just guessing off what Graves has said about The Saint previously (something about keeping him close by). I have no idea who The Saint is either, or what side they're really on.

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I reckon it belongs up there with the Vertigo greats like Preacher, Sandman et all.

 

Me too. It's their best foot forward.

 

I'm going to re-read the entire series so that I may participate in this discussion.

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I read quite a few trades in this series but gave up because I really couldn't keep track of what was going on. Should I give it another try?

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I reckon so.

 

It takes a while to get going but, by the end of the fourth trade, you should have a good idea just who and what the Trust are and why everyone seems to be shooting the shit out of anything that moves.

 

Now go-away and don't come back till you've read the trades in question

 

 

 

Just finished the eight trade last night and you're spot on Grinning, sorry bout that, Graves does indeed mention keeping the Saint close - a hint that maybe we've seen him...or her...already ? In that same trade, Dizzy refuses to go with Graves, after which he tells her that she'll soon be hearing something bad as a result - a little while later Wylie drops the Croata and she pops Shephard. Graves aimed Wylie at Shephard too so I'm still of the mind that he wanted his former boy dead.

 

I'd forgotten that Shephard named Lono as the new Warlord for the Trust and supplied him with the trigger-phrase for the Minutemen.

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Bloody hell...I re-read the whole thing about six months ago, but I'm still going to have to skim it again to actually contribute to this thread. I love 100 Bullets like a particularly highly-achieving child, but for some reason, I'm pathologically incapable of remembering the slightest thing about it for more than a month or two after reading the trades. It's weird.

 

Anyway, I'd definitely second the "try it again" vote. A lot of people find the first two or three trades a little uninvolving the first time around (although I was well and truly hooked by the end of Vol. 2), but as soon as you've been given the first load of backstory/exposition in A Foregone Tomorrow, everything begins to slot into place, and you'll probably find yourself itching to go back and re-read the earlier trades to see them anew in light of the new information you've been given.

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I read up to Six Feet Under the Gun! Six trades, still no idea what was going on. I guess it's because I read them in the wrong order. Also, I might have just given up trying to understand it.

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1st three issues. I remember why I didn't start buying this book from issue 1. I hated the "B-Boy" dialogue. I felt like it was trying to be hip for hip's sake. It was a good story, and a great intro.

 

but...

 

It was the next two issues that won my heart. The one about Graves making a play at Dietrich using the washed up Lee Dolan. Made me realize there was much more to this book than meats the eye.

 

Now in the back of the 1st trade is a little Christmas story. Did they ever go anywhere with that? Detective Choisnel?

 

Loving the crap-shooter story also.

 

Early on the writing is great, Azz's not trying to be too clever for his own good, but just clever enough. Risso's art is top notch, love the little violent things going on in the background. The whole helicopter versus submachine gun cum heroin deal gone bad while Dolan deals with Dietrich comes to mind. We get to see what that's about later on? I don't rememeber.

 

Anyway, makes you wonder how this team managed to fuck up Batman.

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I'm going to end re-reading the trades and issues just to update myself on whats been going on.

 

The only problem I have is that everybody talks like their gang members, not actuall businessmen or anything. But thats pretty much it.

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Now in the back of the 1st trade is a little Christmas story. Did they ever go anywhere with that? Detective Choisnel?

 

It's implied at the beginning of Hang Up On the Hang Low that Detective Choisnel acted on the information Graves gave him in Silencer Night, as Big Moe and Little Moe are found dead in an alley.

 

So, does anyone here have a favourite single issue or arc of the book? For my money, it's #27, Idol Chatter. It's digresses from the main narrative at the time, while continuing to set up future stories, and still delivering one hell of a story on its own. That last page is one of my all-time favourites. Heartbreak, Sunnyside Up is a close second, too. I like to read the stories that aren't about the Trust/Minutemen/conspiracy.

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My favorite was the first arc and the Counter Fifth Detective. I was reading that and felt sorry for the guy in the first, then later really like the Detective guy in the fifth one.

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Ha! Issue 6 and 7 was set in Detoit. I thought I saw Graht Hill's jersey hanging on the bookie's wall. Plus all this talk about the Wings...

 

We never know if Chucky makes it or not do we? I mean, Graves says there's territory to move in on inDetroit so one can assume he shot Pony.

 

Love the next two issues with Cole. He's kick ass.

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Didn't Graves have Choisnel arrest Loop ?

 

I read 100 Bullets in single issues right up to the first Jack Daw issue (with the brill 'Loser' cover') before calling it a day - memory's a bit blurry but I think an overheard discussion in the comic shop about the (then) just published fourth trade convinced me to give it another go. Reading everything I had together highlighted just how much better the series works in big chunks.

 

Now....

 

Why did Lono have Victor and Loop off Megan ?!

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anything at all that involves loop i'm,for the imediate future going to assume at least some small aspect of it,involves him being tested.to be less vague,i think with the story coming to a head fairly soon him being one of the three youngest players(w/benito & dizzy)is not seen by many as such an asset.victor and how he acts towards loop i cannot understand,unless he is part of loops test.that would be my guess.a flashback will show how much lono did inside to train him,and now victor ray is testing him.

 

by the way,is it known why exactly this series never got the hardcover push like sandman?

 

i buy it in singles but i'd buy the whole series if it came out in hc format.

 

maybe they'd have to start like sandman did and do conterfit(h)detective first much like season of mists was sandmans first hc.

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Just got through Loop's tale. Very well done, this series was in fine form at this point.

 

That was in fact Choisnel that arrested Loop.

 

And what's with Lono? He's one sick bitch.

 

Great series.

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I think Lono's stepped up his game since Shephard hand-picked him as his successor, he's definetly up to something, what with having his boys off Megan whilst he was convincing Benito to forgive some of the families that had moved against him.

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Lou, Lono said it best in the seventh volume:

 

"Gotta little problem with right and wrong, Shepherd. I can't quite tell the difference."

 

I have to say, his torturing of Fulvio was one of the most brutal comic book sequences ever.

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Yeah that really does sum up Lono. No telling where his loyalties lie, maybe only to himself.

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When Lono first appeared he just got done raping some girl. I think it was in the 12th or 7th issue. I dont really remember because it's been ages since I read my trades.

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No when he first appeared he was shooting a helicopter out of the sky from the same building that the Dietrich chick was in when the child porn guy had a go at her.

 

The him and Graves had a sit down that involved minutemen talk and possibly did they exchange some cash?

 

Then we see Lono in the hotel raping the girl and killing her boyfriend who is Loop's cousin. It's insinuated that they hit Lono with a car and took his cash. Then Lono's going on about how he has a score to settle with Graves which had me confused. Are they working together or not? It's also insiuated that Lono believes Graves put a hit on him, but I think Lono's being paranoid.

 

On to issue 20.

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