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Preacher the movie? Televangelism!

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Pooka    785

I don't really like most of the changes to the characters personalities. I really don't like how Tulip's back story has been changed. I see no reason for her to now be from a stereotypical "bad" family (prostitute mum, deadbeat uncle) other than to show how Jesse was so kind as a child blah blah blah. If they wanted her to have a tragic past simply changing her dad's death to a less comic one would have been fine.

 

I find Jesse very dull and I'm hoping the Saint actually IS the Saint and not just some mass killer in Hell.

 

 

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seventhcircle    582

i am missing herr starr/the grail and the sexual investigators.

 

cassidy rocks and the fight scenes are so absurdly beatiful. cassidys intro alone is fucking gold.

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Pooka    785

I can happily lose the sex investigators but yes, I don't want o wait multiple seasons for Starr to become a main character. But I wonder how they'll handle all the Grail/bloodline stuff as I can't see American audience overwhelmingly accepting it.

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seventhcircle    582

maybe because you have 60% people whom believe angels are real and may take it as an insult?

 

the sexual investigators were part of the absurdity of it all. there is actually no remotely sane person in the whole book, its just an ever accelerating crescendo of bombarding absurdity and starr topped it all. i loved preacher.

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Lou K    1,057

We're not all zealots over here. I would imagine that most churchy folks would not even tune into a show like this in the first place.

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Pooka    785

No, but it wouldn't stop the idiots (not all Christians but a vocal minority) making a LOT of noise about it. Especially now we have I many social media outlets to blow things up.

 

I get there's many many smart people in the US but you are a early, really religious country in comparison tonBritain and tbh I think some of the stuff in Preacher oils be too much even for some of our Chriatians. You e very vocal , powerful religious people.

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Pooka    785

And some of the stuff in Preacher IS enormously offensive, intentionally so. You don't have to be a zealot to be offended by the idea of the offspring of Christ being inbred lunatics. And there's nothing wrong with being offended by that, it's just how you deal with and express that.

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Lou K    1,057

They can (and will) make as much noise as they want but I doubt it will cause the show runners to go in some other direction on the subject matter. Dan Brown novels sell and their flicks did well over here. Someone is always protesting something and they have the freedom to do so. But sacrilegious material flies all the time. I don't see it as being an issue. If I am wrong I will eat my hat

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Pooka    785

Honestly they've changed so much it would t surprise me if they have a new story line anyway.

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Lou K    1,057

Honestly they've changed so much it would t surprise me if they have a new story line anyway.

 

Really, that's exactly what I was thinking!

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wolvy    57

And some of the stuff in Preacher IS enormously offensive, intentionally so. You don't have to be a zealot to be offended by the idea of the offspring of Christ being inbred lunatics. And there's nothing wrong with being offended by that, it's just how you deal with and express that.

 

Well of course they'd be inbred lunatics, anybody that in breeds for that many years is going to have a pretty fucked up gene pool.

 

I still need to finish the series though. I find the TV series interesting, but at times I find the story kind of lacking and the characters not that interesting.

 

 

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JohnMcMahon    562

Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

Ultimately I think that was a little too self indulgent, I can appreciate me some slow paced storytelling but they really stretched out what they had to fill those ten episodes.

 

In for season two all the same.

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Dave    265

I'll give this show one thing, its use of music is really freaking great.

Also, meat baby.

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St. Apathy    140

I liked it, all things considered. I found comics Custer to be something of a neo macho -orwhatever you want to call it- stereotype, and I like show Jesse a bit better.

 

I agree with Pooka on Tulip, though I like Negga in the role. I'm sad to see that Tulip's relationship with her father is out.

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slinker    893

Herr Starr is a glaring omission from season 1. Having Jesse and Tulip as childhood friends changes their dynamic.Sending Arseface to hell? Why can the voice send him there and not bring him back? the inconsistencies with the power of the voice irk the fuck out of me. And Quincannon's loophole that he serves the god of meat so the voice didn't work on him the way Jesse intended? vomit! i was hoping to see him fucking his meat fuck doll but I knew that wouldn't happen.

 

All that said, I enjoyed the finale. but I have a question: in the show, Jesse murders a guy in cold blood. I didn't think, other than the forces against him hurling foes at him non stop, he'd killed anyone before because of that whole redneck hillbilly honor thing. That's why Cassidey is an abomination, cuz he murders. I think having Jesse be a murderer makes his character less sympathetic unless you're playing for the way too obvious restitution/penance angle. I might be wrong and he did kill someone in the past, but I don't think so. The Saint, so far, is elegant in its accuracy to my mind.

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Gwilym    330

Episode 9 seems to have been custom-designed to make me hate the show and everyone in it. Seth Rogen can suck my cock.

 

Even if he does, I'll probably still be pissed off at him for bringing this nihilistic shit into the world.

 

I wish he'd told us ahead of time that the whole thing would be just another one of his sardonic eye-rolls. I mean, say what you will about the sappy sentimentality of the books - at least it's a fucking ethos.

 

Or, whatever, fine. Be hip and detached and ironic and refuse to believe in anything. Make a show that might as well just be a two-second clip of you saying "Iunno?" looped into eternity. But do you think maybe we could also have a single character who isn't totally vile*? Do you think we could stop pretending that a tone-deaf atrocity parade counts as good film-making, good writing, or pretty much anything other than a huge glaring mark against humanity as a general concept? Do you think we could make Preacher great again?

 

So yeah, for someone who enjoys a lot of hyper-violent media, I'm really inclined to turning on shows as soon as they start smearing the screen with gratuitous, hateful violence and acting like they're above it all. The show's always struggled with tone when it comes to extreme violence, often thinking it counts as a punchline, but I'm trying to think of any way that the Ratwater massacre could've been portrayed that might have been more tasteless, exploitative or adolescently smug than the way this episode did it. I'm failing. The closest I can think of is if maybe they played it over and over, ad fucking nauseum, only no - the show went and did that, didn't it? Because an injection of mind-numbing tedium is exactly what we need after nine episodes of the world's slowest plot development. That'll really kick things into gear.

 

I'm thinking probably fuck this shit. It's less Preacher than it is Crossed. And I don't mean the Garth Ennis Crossed, I mean the bad Crossed.

 

...I suppose I'll try and watch 10 at some point, just like I'll try to get this sore tooth of mine looked at by a dentist at some point. So, grudgingly, and possibly as a hostage.

 

-Gwi "Worst. Episode. Ever" lym

 

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that my recent onset of massive depression may well have contributed to my negative response to the episode, but to be honest I prefer to believe I'm doing god's work and self-righteous internet ranting will lead us all to the promised land

 

*OR if you absolutely insist on doing the big shocking emotional point-of-no-return moment, maybe earn it? Make it seem like the characters are doing it, rather than just being puppets to your random whims? Jesse Pinkman didn't tearfully kill a man because he realised he'd wandered into a bad adaptation of Hellraiser. There was an actual build-up, with thoughts and emotions and everything. It was wild. You should watch that show. It might even give you an idea for a scene you can recreate, shot-for-shot, for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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Demon Chas08    295

Episode 9 seems to have been custom-designed to make me hate the show and everyone in it. Seth Rogen can suck my cock.

 

Even if he does, I'll probably still be pissed off at him for bringing this nihilistic shit into the world.

 

I wish he'd told us ahead of time that the whole thing would be just another one of his sardonic eye-rolls. I mean, say what you will about the sappy sentimentality of the books - at least it's a fucking ethos.

 

Or, whatever, fine. Be hip and detached and ironic and refuse to believe in anything. Make a show that might as well just be a two-second clip of you saying "Iunno?" looped into eternity. But do you think maybe we could also have a single character who isn't totally vile*? Do you think we could stop pretending that a tone-deaf atrocity parade counts as good film-making, good writing, or pretty much anything other than a huge glaring mark against humanity as a general concept? Do you think we could make Preacher great again?

 

So yeah, for someone who enjoys a lot of hyper-violent media, I'm really inclined to turning on shows as soon as they start smearing the screen with gratuitous, hateful violence and acting like they're above it all. The show's always struggled with tone when it comes to extreme violence, often thinking it counts as a punchline, but I'm trying to think of any way that the Ratwater massacre could've been portrayed that might have been more tasteless, exploitative or adolescently smug than the way this episode did it. I'm failing. The closest I can think of is if maybe they played it over and over, ad fucking nauseum, only no - the show went and did that, didn't it? Because an injection of mind-numbing tedium is exactly what we need after nine episodes of the world's slowest plot development. That'll really kick things into gear.

 

I'm thinking probably fuck this shit. It's less Preacher than it is Crossed. And I don't mean the Garth Ennis Crossed, I mean the bad Crossed.

 

...I suppose I'll try and watch 10 at some point, just like I'll try to get this sore tooth of mine looked at by a dentist at some point. So, grudgingly, and possibly as a hostage.

 

-Gwi "Worst. Episode. Ever" lym

 

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that my recent onset of massive depression may well have contributed to my negative response to the episode, but to be honest I prefer to believe I'm doing god's work and self-righteous internet ranting will lead us all to the promised land

 

*OR if you absolutely insist on doing the big shocking emotional point-of-no-return moment, maybe earn it? Make it seem like the characters are doing it, rather than just being puppets to your random whims? Jesse Pinkman didn't tearfully kill a man because he realised he'd wandered into a bad adaptation of Hellraiser. There was an actual build-up, with thoughts and emotions and everything. It was wild. You should watch that show. It might even give you an idea for a scene you can recreate, shot-for-shot, for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

 

And folks wonder why I forever hate him for the same thing with Green Hornet; yes its a Gondry film but it reeks of Rogen's unfunny shtick all over it

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