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As far as I'm aware (which isn't very far, of course...), the reason Toronto is so popular for film-makers is that it is, as you say, very cheap, and it has a sufficiently 'generic' appearance that it can be used to stand in for wherever the filmmakers want it to without any major hassle. As the film industry is, as you say, such a significant part of the city's economy, there's a willingness to tolerate the inconveniences filming can bring to a city which isn't necessarily there in London.

 

Adrian, as a Londoner who knows about such things, will no doubt be able to correct me if I'm talking out of my arse. Ade?

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The Guy Fawkes getup wouldn't make sense if it wasn't supposed to be Britain.

 

You say that as though it would stop them...

 

 

...although I agree with you, actually. London isn't generally a first-choice for film-makers to shoot in, as it's (a) too expensive, and (b) too busy. Very few films set in London are actually filmed there, so I wouldn't read too much into where this is being shot. Kris, where did you hear about the 'non-specific European setting?' It sounds distressingly plausible, but I'm unconvinced...

 

I read about it in various talkback threads on IMDB but in Total Film this month, there is a little article to which i shall quote verbatim....

 

"The Wachowski Brothers are back. They've written an action-soaked adap of Alan Moore's awesome novel. They've tapped Natalie Portman to star. Excited yet? The violent thriller sees Germany winning World War 2 and turning Britain into a fascist state. Enter V, a freedom fighter bent on waging a guerilla war. Matrix and Episode 3 assistant director James McTeigue makes his helming director".

 

Now the bit that seems to be changed is the whole World War 2 bit because if i remember V For Vendetta rightly and its been a while since i read it, isn't it that a cataclysmic nuclear war breaks out and Britain manages to survive the whole thing and becomes an extremely paranoid and confused country which becomes the perfect feeding ground from which political parties of the same ilk as the British National Party/National Front rise to power and who then go onto to arbitrarily exterminate any racial groups, socialists, homosexuals, etc etc.

 

I am sure Alan Moore wrote the story as some polemical piece about Thatcher's Britain but i suppose since that cloven-hooved devilbitch was replaced by that doyen of the achromatic and avatar of the grey John Major, the film has probably lost some of that original resonance and therefore the story could be told a different way and in a different time but please god, i hope the Wachowski Brothers haven't included bullet time sequences into their script.

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You remember V for Vendetta more or less accurately, yes.

 

To be entirely fair, Moore admits himself in the intro to the trade version that the 'limited, survivable nuclear war' is the one thing which truly dates his original novel, so I can see why they'd want to change that. But couldn't they come up with something a bit more imaginative than "It's the Nazis!"?

 

"Action-soaked" doesn't bode well for the direction they've taken this in, either.

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Hmm, you see there is so much more you could do, especially in today's current geo-political climate than "It's the Nazis!". But I would imagine that today's current geo-political climate is the reason "It's the Nazis!"

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...although I agree with you, actually. London isn't generally a first-choice for film-makers to shoot in, as it's (a) too expensive, and (b) too busy.

I'd also heard that it rains too much there for film-makers' liking.

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Nazis? Oh for fuck's sakes.

 

The point of V is that it shows how the (then) existing government could mutate into a repressive, fascistic dystopia. The scenes where British riot police are shown rounding up Asians and blacks to be exterminated is shocking, because it's all our fault that the country has descended into genocide. The British public vote the Party into office and do nothing as civil liberties are stripped away. If the fascist society is the result of a Nazi invasion then the culpability of the masses is lost and the story is robbed of its venom.

 

Furthermore, "Nazis" are lazy, thoughtless, shorthand for "evil." When you need cannon fodder bad guys and can't be bothered outlining their motivations and don't want the hassle of giving them more than one dimension, you can turn to the Nazis. Put one of those funny helmets on a man and he immediately becomes a faceless stormtrooper who is only good for shooting. I always felt like Moore weighted things too much in V's favour, but at least the "Englishness" of the regieme he was overthrowing made his actions seem shocking. With modern society conditioned to feel immediate antipathy towards anyone in a Nazi uniform, such moral ambiguity will be even less striking.

 

Yes, I do know I'm preaching to the converted.

 

Still, maybe they mean neo-Nazis, in which case the film could be salvaged. I wouldn't put it past the Wachowskis to completely miss the point though.

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Nazis? Oh for fuck's sakes.

 

The point of V is that it shows how the (then) existing government could mutate into a repressive, fascistic dystopia. The scenes where British riot police are shown rounding up Asians and blacks to be exterminated is shocking, because it's all our fault that the country has descended into genocide. The British public vote the Party into office and do nothing as civil liberties are stripped away. If the fascist society is the result of a Nazi invasion then the culpability of the masses is lost and the story is robbed of its venom.

 

Furthermore, "Nazis" are lazy, thoughtless, shorthand for "evil." When you need cannon fodder bad guys and can't be bothered outlining their motivations and don't want the hassle of giving them more than one dimension, you can turn to the Nazis. Put one of those funny helmets on a man and he immediately becomes a faceless stormtrooper who is only good for shooting. I always felt like Moore weighted things too much in V's favour, but at least the "Englishness" of the regieme he was overthrowing made his actions seem shocking. With modern society conditioned to feel immediate antipathy towards anyone in a Nazi uniform, such moral ambiguity will be even less striking.

 

Yes, I do know I'm preaching to the converted.

 

Still, maybe they mean neo-Nazis, in which case the film could be salvaged. I wouldn't put it past the Wachowskis to completely miss the point though.

 

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Don't mention the war!

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As far as I'm aware (which isn't very far, of course...), the reason Toronto is so popular for film-makers is that it is, as you say, very cheap, and it has a sufficiently 'generic' appearance that it can be used to stand in for wherever the filmmakers want it to without any major hassle. As the film industry is, as you say, such a significant part of the city's economy, there's a willingness to tolerate the inconveniences filming can bring to a city which isn't necessarily there in London.

 

Adrian, as a Londoner who knows about such things, will no doubt be able to correct me if I'm talking out of my arse. Ade?

 

Where do I stand if you are right, but still probably talking out of your arse ?

(Downwind, of course !)

 

Yes, London - and the UK in general - is poor for films. They were hoping to encourage film people, but tax breaks were not forthcoming.

This may change.

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I hope that the rumours of Nazis in V for Vendetta are ill-founded and merely based upon confusion due to the filming being done in Germany. It does rob the story of the underlying horror that this is a dystopian vision of our own making that step by step we've come to find ourselves in a totalitarian state.

 

In fact I think it has a lot of relevance to the current situation. With cctv on every corner of every major city and laws being proposed to place those suspected of terrorist activities under house arrest without trial, we are virtually living in the world of V for Vendetta anyway.

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Yep! I agree very much with what Inca is saying.

We're moving closer and closer to "1984" every day. I think Orwell was off by 20 years, but besides that...he was pretty much straight on.

 

Nazis.... :icon_frown: ....God dammit! I knew this would fucking happen!

OK, got that out of my system....

Now, if it's a fascist govt., which they are dumbing down to read "Nazis" for all the "little people"....OK!

This has to be based around corruption of govt. or why bother?!

 

Posted backwards, by mistake:

"I wish, or maybe not.

 

CCTV = Closed Circuit Television.

 

i.e. surveillance cameras.

Rogan Posted Yesterday, 05:01 PM

CCTV?

 

Christian Cage Television? "

:lol:

I'd be a fair ruler, inca....Do you know anything about Lenin?! He's my role model!

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Apparently the Nazis have transcended "evil" and are now merely "convenient."

 

Which, in some ways, is even MORE diabolical...

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