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JasonT    438
The Night Witches #3 was a bit too quiet an ending. Its alright, but it feels like its an ending to a much longer story.

It was relatively quiet, but nasty, and it consistently defied my expectations. I thought the arc read like a literary short story, which is a rare achievement for comics. It'd also work nicely as a movie. Masterful work by Garth Ennis & Russ Braun. For me it was one of the high points of comics in 2008.

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Trace    0
Yes. Although your description of events, I wouldn't say it in those terms.

I didn't actually read it, just skimmed through it a my LCS due to a couple people raving about it in this here thread.

 

I gave up on X-Factor after the issue where Layla and a dupe go to Bishop's future-- the whole Messiah Complex event was running through the X-titles and that's what drove me off. I am so fucking sick of that shit, why can't they just let writers have their own (relatively) self-contained books? I swear, it seems that more issues of a given X-title in a year are devoted to stupid crossovers than they are to, you know, the actual book itself. Ridiculous. Marvel can eat a bag full of cocks.

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arrazello    0
I gave up on X-Factor after the issue where Layla and a dupe go to Bishop's future-- the whole Messiah Complex event was running through the X-titles and that's what drove me off. I am so fucking sick of that shit, why can't they just let writers have their own (relatively) self-contained books? I swear, it seems that more issues of a given X-title in a year are devoted to stupid crossovers than they are to, you know, the actual book itself. Ridiculous. Marvel can eat a bag full of cocks.

I agree to an extent.

Definitely, the X-Factor was great up until #25 when the MC took over for 3 issues - it totally changed the pace and did not fit the mood of the book AT ALL.

I really don't think it has returned to form since then but #39 was promising and maybe...

(I wasn't too keen on the Endangered Species add-on but at least it was that - an add-on).

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Christian    734

That's really the only negativity that X-Factor has had to deal with though.

Messiah Complex was bad for X-Factor and did screw up the pace and ongoing plots, but I thought David bounced back very well, and it was just for three months.

Although, some would argue that Layla was the best part of X-Factor, and in that case, I can understand the complaints. I think the book has strong enough characters that Layla wasn't needed to carry the stories.

 

Perhaps the worst part is how padded Messiah Complex actually was as a story. The X-Factor and Young X-Men chapters didn't even add anything to the wider story. It should've been kept to just Uncanny X-Men and X-Men. Uncanny was treading water and needed to be shaken up, so it didn't hurt that book in the least. And, I like the direction Carey has had to go with X-Men: Legacy, since I'm a long-time X-fan, and three X-Men titles is unnecessary since they also have Astonishing X-Men. X-Men: Legacy isn't really an X-Men title anymore (as opposed to an X-title), but is a Professor X solo series.

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Lou K    1,054

Man, shockingly enough Superman Beyond is crap. I was thinking, "3D, Grant Morrison, Superman...should be good." But no, the events from panel to panel seem disconnected and hard to follow. Haven't even craked #2 yet and I'm really not inspired to.

 

Also, Astonishing X Men 28 was OK, but I don't read enough X books to know what M Day is or this baby or whatever so poop on that too.

 

Hopefuly the LCS has my Criminal trades in by now.

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arrazello    0
That's really the only negativity that X-Factor has had to deal with though.

Messiah Complex was bad for X-Factor and did screw up the pace and ongoing plots, but I thought David bounced back very well, and it was just for three months.

Although, some would argue that Layla was the best part of X-Factor, and in that case, I can understand the complaints. I think the book has strong enough characters that Layla wasn't needed to carry the stories.

 

Yeah, Layla is a great character - refreshing, but as you say the book is rife with strong characterisation. I love Madrox but I think Rictor is my favourite (can't wait for him to get his powers back - it's going to happen isn't it? Yeah it is.) and M is a riot.

David did bounce back but there was the whole Darwin/Secret Invasion hurdle to negotiate too. The Mr Patrosky/Madrox dynamic was a nice interlude before that.

All in all - X-Factor has been one of the best things I've read recently.

 

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Christian    734
Man, shockingly enough Superman Beyond is crap. I was thinking, "3D, Grant Morrison, Superman...should be good." But no, the events from panel to panel seem disconnected and hard to follow. Haven't even craked #2 yet and I'm really not inspired to.

 

Am I the only one who enjoyed Superman Beyond then?

I feel I've been properly harsh on Morrison of late, for what he deserves, but I thought Superman Beyond was the one good thing to come from Final Crisis.

Reading other reviews, apparently others feel that Superman Beyond is just as bad as Final Crisis and his Batman. I just found it plain fun, with ideas flashing a mile a minute. Nothing new, but sort of a fast-forward refresher course in Morrison's ideas.

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JasonT    438
Man, shockingly enough Superman Beyond is crap. I was thinking, "3D, Grant Morrison, Superman...should be good." But no, the events from panel to panel seem disconnected and hard to follow.

That's an opinion I expressed about issue 1:

http://hellblazer.ipbhost.com/index.php?sh...st&p=276984

... but if you read the rest of that thread, you'll see it wasn't a popular point of view. Thanks for backin' me up!

 

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Christian    734

Daredevil #115-When I saw the preview for what's coming up in the next story-arc, I was getting ready to drop the book since I've made my feelings know about Daredevil going around and around in circles, but the direction might be more promising. I was hoping Daredevil would just take the offer, after months and months of failing over and over again, wallowing in self-pity, like the character has done for years, at least that new direction would make all the repetition mean something. Why must comics so often always take the safest route possible? Well, maybe this will get better, but if not, I'm dropping this title because I've read it all many times before.

 

Batman #685-More filler before The End, this time by Paul Dini. A basic plot about Catwoman opposing a poaching ring. Then Dini goes back to that damn Hush character. Why the hell won't he ever go away? Completely pointless, and the Hush part of the story doesn't make any sense unless you've been following non-Morrison Bat-books of late.

 

Incredible Hercules was pure pleasure as always and an easy book of the week for me. Next story-arc, "The Search for Kirby"....Could it be?

 

Final Crisis #7-I'd like to know what Grant Morrison was thinking while writing this. Now, this issue is completely flawed, no doubt, but it had a lot of promise. What I want to know is why us, the readers, weren't allowed to see any of these awesome events happening? Everything just got bundled up in this final issue and thrown at us in disconnected scenes. After 5 issues of boredom, with nothing happening, Morrison decides to pack all of his ideas into this final issue. It truly reads like a parody of Morrison or like something a child would write. "Then this awesome thing happened, ok? But then, over there, this great thing happened, ok? Oh yeah! And then how about when this amazing this happened?". Show don't tell, Morrison.

Perhaps if Morrison had spread these scenes throughout the entire series, Final Crisis wouldn't be Morrison's greatest failure.

I wonder what that final scene portends?

Overall, I did get a perverse glee from this final issue, but for everyone who hated Superman Beyond, well this is Superman Beyond with the most severe case of ADD.

But, the original Crisis and Infinite Crisis were far better.

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Trace    0
Final Crisis #7-I'd like to know what Grant Morrison was thinking while writing this. Now, this issue is completely flawed, no doubt, but it had a lot of promise. What I want to know is why us, the readers, weren't allowed to see any of these awesome events happening? Everything just got bundled up in this final issue and thrown at us in disconnected scenes.

You have read Morrison before, haven't you?

:wink:

After 5 issues of boredom, with nothing happening,

Wow. Just, wow.

Morrison decides to pack all of his ideas into this final issue.

You have read Morrison before, haven't you?

:wink:

It truly reads like a send-up of Moore

(edited for truthiness)

or like something a child would write.

The smartest child ever?

:tongue:

"Then this awesome thing happened, ok? But then, over there, this great thing happened, ok? Oh yeah! And then how about when this amazing this happened?". Show don't tell, Morrison.

He was showing how storytelling (the framing for FC itself) devolved until it became something else, something that actually evolved out of the muck and the mire (of current trends in comics).

Perhaps if Morrison had spread these scenes throughout the entire series, Final Crisis wouldn't be Morrison's greatest failure.

Again: Wow. Just, wow. Re-read it a couple times then let's see if you still feel that way.

I wonder what that final scene portends?

I thought it was an insanely smart take on the Omega Sanction-- alpha/omega, beginning/end, cyclical time, etc. As for your specific question, let's hope other writers use it properly (but I'm not confident they will).

Overall, I did get a perverse glee from this final issue, but for everyone who hated Superman Beyond, well this is Superman Beyond with the most severe case of ADD.

Finally, I agree with something you've said! And we're supposed to be the 2 biggest Morrison-lovers around here!

But, the original Crisis and Infinite Crisis were far better.

Aaaaannnnnddd you've lost me again.

 

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Mark    332

I agree with almost everything Christian said. I think Trace is completely right when he talks about the ideas Morrison was playing with, and the effect he was aiming for, but he shot way, way wide of the mark. Final Crisis is clearly the logical endpoint of the hypercompressed storytelling style he's been working towards for several years now (and which reached its apotheosis with All-Star Superman, in which single panels often contained a page or more's worth of story content), but it takes it too far, and sacrifices coherency, pacing and enjoyability for the sake of telling the story in as few panels as possible. As Christian said, the whole miniseries has been packed with "tell, don't show" moments, and it's suffered for it. The underlying story is a decent one (although still not entirely successful, with too many loose ends, aimless subplots and gaps), and there've been some spectacular, brilliant moments throughout, but without a solid foundation of clear, coherent storytelling that's simply not enough.

 

A major, major disappointment.

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Christian    734

What Mark said.

I love Grant Morrison, but I have to be objective, or I'll come across as one of those "smarks" on the internet who praises everything a certain writer does because he has intellectual "cred".

My point is that, while Morrison has always hypercompressed his stories, throwing an idea at the reader a mile a minute, Final Crisis took that to a completely different level that did sacrifice basic story-telling techniques. I love Morrison's style. I understand the ideas that Morrison was playing with, and with issue #7, I felt they came through enough for me to give it a more "in-the-middle" review than I otherwise would have based on issues #3-6, really. I love those ideas, but I have always felt that Morrison was able to seamlessly blend all his ideas within a compelling and dynamic plot. I loved it in JLA. I loved it in All-Star Superman. I loved it in Superman Beyond (when many did not). But, it did not work in Final Crisis.

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Trace    0

Fair enough.

 

I'll just add this from Timothy Callahan of CBR:

It was a story about Jack Kirby's corrupted legacy. It was a story about the relationship between creators and creation. It was a story about diversity overcoming singlemindedness. And as fragmented and chaotic (and narratively incomplete) it may have seemed, it was smart enough to weave those flaws into the text of the story itself. As Supergirl says in "Final Crisis" #7, the rupture in spacetime feels strange: "like it's all broken up from one minute to the next."

 

 

 

 

To sort of give my brain a break from Morrison-warping, I read a couple issues of Fin Fang 4. Really enjoying lil' ol' Googam!

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Shawn    297

Speaking of Kirby; I have been reading Godland and enjoying the hell out of it. It is very much an homage to cosmic Kirby tales in both story and art. Tom Scioli must be either a long lost child of Kirby or a reincarnation.

Any book that has a talking intergalactic dog with amazing powers and cosmic fetuses is a book I will be a fan of for some time.

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Mark    332

The "reality is crumbling" impact of the borderline-incoherent storytelling in FC #7 would have been infinitely more effective had the same techniques not been used for the entire series.

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sethos    5
The Luna Brothers' The Sword.

 

Really good.

 

yeah, I agree. lovely art, and solid storytelling. wouldn't have been out of place at Vertigo, even. sigh.

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slinker    893

i read the sword, too. it's hit or miss with me. i thought it started off strong, lagged in the middle and is coming on strong once again.

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Shawn    297

Legion of Superheroes #50 - This is the final issue (for now of course, they'll probably be back in a year or so) and the Legion went out with a shitastic whimper. The momentum built by Shooter and Manapul is wasted by a fill-in with many plot points being screwed up or discarded. The issue was written by "Justin Thyme" and horribly drawn by Ramon Bachs. This had a feel of someone(s) trying to hastily write a wrap-up based a few leftover notes from Shooter. The Legion deserved better than this. Shooter and Manapul deserved better than this. More importantly I, the customer (and all fans of the book) deserved better than this.

I am insulted. Shame on you DC. Yet another reason I buy more Marvel and Image.

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Avaunt    274

I feel I have to retract an earlier statement. The collection of Supreme Power I read and formed a very negative opinion of turned out to not have been the beginning issues. I recently rectified that and ok, am prepared to change my opinion. The first part of the story is more convincing, and contains some ideas that change my opinion of the later parts. Still didn't like the gore porn aspect, but then i don't LIKE gore porn, extremely so.

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sethos    5
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The Umbrella Academy is aces on toast.

 

That's series two? Looks brilliant. I've got the first series in trade and love it. Gabriel Bá is a great artist, I cannot wait for his (and Fabio Moon's) series for Vertigo. I think these guys are the superstars of tomorrow.

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