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I cannot for the life of me understand why the 2099 stuff hasn't been collected, myself. There's what, one collection of the Spiderman series?

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Actually, it looks like most of the Spider Man 2099 series has been collected. There are four Trades of that one now. Probably due to there being a Spider Man 2099 on-going series recently.

I'm pretty sure there is one Trade for X-Men 2099 also.

It's surprising they wouldn't at least collect the Doom 2099 issues, considering that Warren Ellis got be considered such a hot writer.

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If they haven't collected the Ghost Rider series over it's various hot artists, the Doom one's probably out. Maybe the fact that it actually has an end puts the Ellis-heads off as well?

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Underwinter is pretty lovely.

 

What a shame Ray Fawkes came to Constantine during the Post-crises Crisis of Infinite Continuity.

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Looking it up, Warren Ellis' Doom 2099 issues were collected back in 2013 in a trade but it seems to have gone out of print pretty quickly - a new copy off the Amazon third-party marketplace will set you back some $70-some bucks + shipping, and the used copies aren't much cheaper.

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You can find the actual back-issues for relatively cheap. They're not too rare either. You're look at between $2-$4 an issue, it looks like. That's about what I paid, and that was back around 2003.

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You can find the actual back-issues for relatively cheap. They're not too rare either. You're look at between $2-$4 an issue, it looks like. That's about what I paid, and that was back around 2003.

Yes, Christian, but in your neck of the woods it's back issues of the sophisticated indie comics that go for big money, isn't it? Those of us who have to compete with the hoi palloi for the contents of the used comics boxes or get on the internet for stuff are competing with Marvel fans who think Ellis is the shit over his run on X Men...

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Years of practice. :tongue:

On a less condescending note: just gone through the first Mister Miracle, which is good but not quite great. There's some very good stuff there indeed (nice art, a blatant mutual disdain between Scott and Barda on one hand and Orion on the other, Glorious Godfrey as a chatshow host, a lovely scene with Oberon and its aftermath, plot stuff that it would be spoiler-y to unpick) but that's balanced by a few misfires (the 'death is another trap" stuff isn't handled half as well as it was in the Seven Soldiers version, everything is ominously foreshadowed and the tale moves extremely slowly), still treated as a curtain raiser for the story that'll get going in #2, this is very promising indeed.

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Man, Chris Claremont turned in to such a horrible writer after 1991....you wonder how a writer can take such a turn to the horrible, when they were so talented.

Superman & Wonder Woman: Whom Gods Destroy (Elseworlds)-This is so bad that it could have been written by Howard Mackie.

Superman comes to Earth in 1938....Lois Lane is upset because she ages while Superman never does....Lois Lane becomes Wonder Woman....

For some reason, Nazi Germany still exists in the current day....

The Nazis are secretly being controlled by the Greek gods.....Huh?

There are like three different stories going on here, and Claremont decided to just jam them all together.

If you get the chance, avoid this comic!

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Superman comes to Earth in 1938....Lois Lane is upset because she ages while Superman never does....Lois Lane becomes Wonder Woman....

For some reason, Nazi Germany still exists in the current day....

The Nazis are secretly being controlled by the Greek gods.....Huh?

 

so amazons are loyal to the greek gods and greek gods are nazis. is lois lane a nazI?

 

the rest: are you saying that nazi germany doesn't exist anymore? have you been to germany lately? also we are quite known for our love of the greek gods. the only absurd thing is, that they would control germany from secret.

 

no but seriously, thanks for the heads-up. i might have actually bought it otherwise

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The Amazons and Greek gods have had a falling out over Diana. Diana is loyal to the Nazis, and the Amazons are upset about the Greek gods and man's world, and that's why they grant Lois Lane the powers of Wonder Woman.

 

Yeah, whatever you do, don't buy it. You'll regret it.

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Kid Lobotomy #1 (by Peter Milligan)-This is worth checking out the second issue. Milligan seems to be trying too hard to recapture his run on Shade, at times. Still, looking back to one of Milligan's best comic works isn't the worst thing that Milligan has done. There are some interesting things going on in the book, outside of Milligan (and Shelley Bond) trying to recapture past magic. The references to Franz Kafka are certainly intriguing (the phone call scene), and the Dr. Burroughs' cut-up technique brain surgery is some fun word-play from a writer who excelled at that sort of thing in his earlier comic work.

It's nice to see that Milligan has recovered so well from the trauma of his run on Hellblazer....

Also, next issue of Jeff Lemire's Sherlock Frankenstein will feature the origin story of Cthu-Lou. he he

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22 minutes ago, Christian said:

It's nice to see that Milligan has recovered so well from the trauma of his run on Hellblazer....

It wasn't fucking Milligan that traumatised...

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1 hour ago, Christian said:

Also, next issue of Jeff Lemire's Sherlock Frankenstein will feature the origin story of Cthu-Lou. he he

HAHAHA LOVE IT

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22 hours ago, Christian said:

Kid Lobotomy #1 (by Peter Milligan)-This is worth checking out the second issue. Milligan seems to be trying too hard to recapture his run on Shade, at times. Still, looking back to one of Milligan's best comic works isn't the worst thing that Milligan has done. There are some interesting things going on in the book, outside of Milligan (and Shelley Bond) trying to recapture past magic. The references to Franz Kafka are certainly intriguing (the phone call scene), and the Dr. Burroughs' cut-up technique brain surgery is some fun word-play from a writer who excelled at that sort of thing in his earlier comic work.

It's nice to see that Milligan has recovered so well from the trauma of his run on Hellblazer....

Also, next issue of Jeff Lemire's Sherlock Frankenstein will feature the origin story of Cthu-Lou. he he

I tried Kid Lobotomy # 1, won't be back for Kid Lobotomy # 2.  I enjoyed Milligan's Shade, hell I even dug a lot of his Hellblazer up to a point, but KL just read like nonsense to me.  It was like he was just throwing every random thought he had against the page without cutting out the detritus.  Detestable comic and not a good indicator of what Black Crown is going to be serving us.  I wasn't much looking forward to Shelly Bond's imprint anyway, especially when you've got Karen Berger setting up a near-identical shop across the street at Dark Horse in the near future that looks so much more promising.  

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I'm not seeing a lot more promise from the Black Crown imprint. Kid Lobotomy looked like the best book from the bunch.

It's a hyper comic book, to be sure, but I thought there was enough underlying premise worth looking in to that made it worth a second look.

I felt he was trying too hard to make people think about different takes he had done on his Shade book. I felt that was a major drawback.

I don't know, Grant Morrison's comics are often just him throwing random ideas on the page, and then trying to sort through the wreckage for ideas worth pursuing further. I expected that Milligan would end up going in that direction as the series progresses. It can't keep going at this level of irreverence for an entire series, but I thought there was enough ideas worth pursuing to see if the second issue is an improvement.

I'm not seeing anything from Karen Berger's imprint that looks any better either. Even the Anne Nocenti comic (who is usually one of my favourites), I will have zero interest in if it's just another parable about the Donald Trump presidency.

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On 20/10/2017 at 6:39 PM, Christian said:

I don't know, Grant Morrison's comics are often just him throwing random ideas on the page, and then trying to sort through the wreckage for ideas worth pursuing further. I expected that Milligan would end up going in that direction as the series progresses. It can't keep going at this level of irreverence for an entire series, but I thought there was enough ideas worth pursuing to see if the second issue is an improvement.

I thought he'd stopped doing that twenty odd years ago and his stuff has been a lot more structured and plotted out since the late '90s?

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I'd say Morrison still does it quite a bit, and some of that work is the better for it. Some of his better structured work doesn't really stand out as being all that great....Klaus, Avatarex, Joe the Barbarian, Wonder Woman (off the top of my head)....

I was disappointed by all of the above, because they read like they were written by writers other than Morrison.

Meanwhile, things like Superman Beyond or some of the issues of Multiversity had the same insanity to his earlier work, and they stand out as better reading experiences than his more clearly plotted out books.

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Oh, come off it, Christian. Multiversity was a very tightly structured narrative, it just wasn't structured around a linear plot. 

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The Multiversity series as a whole, yes. You'll notice I said "some issues of Multiversity", not Multiversity as a series.

I'm thinking of the first issue of the book (Multiversity #1), where Morrison just seemed to throw a bunch of random ideas in to the story, going at a mile a second.

There's certainly a coherent plot hiding beneath the chaos of Milligan's Kid Lobotomy. I was making the comparison more to the fact that Morrison would throw random ideas at the page and then boil the story down to something more tightly structured as the series went along.

Compare that to Morrison's less ambitious projects (such as Klaus) where Morrison only uses one real idea and shapes up a linear plot, with one  barebones cohesive narrative.

At its heart, Kid Lobotomy is the story of a failed son of a very rich, judgmental man who is getting his chance to make his father proud by being given the chance to make his father's hotel in to something profitable, while his scheming sister thinks that she deserves this opportunity and will do what she can to derail any of her bother's chances to have success. The hotel has deep sentimental attachment to the main character, due to his childhood memories. Mix in the backstory of said brother having mental health issues in the past and undergoing a radical new type of therapy, and his dealing with this as he attempts to run this hotel.

Imagine that plot being written by William S. Burroughs, where there is a ton of other stuff being thrown at the page, and that's Kid Lobotomy.

The main plot isn't all that interesting, by itself. I expect to see Milligan pare down his ideas in to something coherent and more tightly structured as the series goes on.

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I don't think Milligan WILL pare down his ideas into something coherent, mainly because he has an editor (Shelly Bond) who doesn't want to step in and filter out the nonsense.  She was his editor on Hellblazer, after all, and I think had there been someone with a bit firmer hand to go "c'mon Pete, you can do better than this" that run would have turned out much better.  Ditto for Kid Lobotomy, which managed to take that rather basic plot that you jotted down Christian and turned it into the most obtuse comic I've read recently. 

You are right about Morrison taking the same approach, fuck look at something like Nameless as an example, but I never get the sense that he loses his way in the narrative while throwing out all the random ass ideas.  I don't have the same confidence in Milligan.

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Picked up the complete Divine Right on the cheap through Comixoloy and burned through it, kind of rubbish but it was nice seeing IO, GEN13 and some of the WildCATs again.

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