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First, I'm not a fan of the default animated voice over actors WB have decided to populate their JL movies for the past 3 or 4 flicks and I guess for the forseeable future. The least effective voice is Kevin Conroy as Batman. Next is Tim Daly as Superman. I just don't think they match the characters at all. But overall, badass voices wouldn't affect how ridiculous this movie was. It is by far the most inferior JL/Superman/Batman/Wonderwoman flick they've released this century, including the less than stellar episodes of JL which ran a few years ago. JL DOOM just sucks a ton of ass. And sadly, you can tell it's going to suck just scant minutes into it. After you figure that out, watching it to its silly conclusion seems more like work than enjoyment. I think DC fans will vomit on this. I'm sure someone will disagree with me here, but anyone who liked this animated shitpile probably thinks porn mags should be scratch and sniff, rocks make good pets, and SW: Ep I was an outstanding feature presentation based on the innovative character, Jar Jar Binks. Seriously. It's that bad, and that's disappointing because the other films preceding it were of way better quality (in spite of the poor voice casting). JL New Frontier is the top of that pyramid, followed by Batman: Under the Red Hood, Batman: Gotham Knight, JL Crisis on Two Earths, All-Star Superman, Batman: Year One. Even the mediocre Supes/Bats: Public Enemies and Bats/SUpes: Apocalypse looked great compared to JL Doom.

 

Now I fear that the Dark Knight Returns might suck if the same talent(?) pool is used.

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Ouchie. I think the problem with this movie is that it's not really about anything or anyone. Some of the scenarios Batman devised to incapacitate the League are ridiculously overwrought even by comic book billionaire mastermind standards. Further the villains remind me of the JL animated characters that were trotted out by Timm and McDuffie because (they claim in the commentaries) DC gave them free access to the toy chest of obscure and forgotten heroes for that show. It's not even about Vandal Savage, who comes off as a bit of a doofus after his many stressful lifetimes, and in the wake of the JL episode "Hereafter" it's really hard to buy his portrayal, even though that shouldn't matter. It's not about Batman because they all know he's a paranoid loner and the decision to keep trusting him at the end of a standalone movie is a foregone conclusion. Trying to dangle that as a dramatic conflict is preposterous in light of all the discussions that have already been had about whether other versions of the character should keep kryptonite in his utility belt and whether it would be useful anyway. So I guess you can look at it as an unfulfilling set of vignettes about the League with a weak unifying plotline but there are still gaffes. I would rather see Hal wield the ring than John or Kyle (jury's out on Guy) but he's supposed to be a slice of white bread, and not Nathan Fillion. Claudia Black made a good Cheetah though.

I don't think you need to worry about any of the problems with this movie contaminating TDKRe. I happen to like Kevin Conroy but he's overrated by the nerd community and his run with the character is ending one way or another. I haven't been pleased with any animated portrayal of Superman since Superfriends. They don't inspire respect. Of the other movies you mentioned I think "Under the Red Hood" is sadly underrated and "Crisis on Two Earths" is the most passable despite its screwball alternate universes storyline. "All Star Superman" did no justice to the book and "Year One" was one of those stories that probably shouldn't have been translated to film in the first place, though I enjoyed it. "New Frontier" had me until the ending, but that battle is not the show-stopper that belonged at the end of that story. As for "Public Enemies" and "Apocalypse" I reserve for them the same level of contempt you have for JLDoom and I apologize to myself for having spent some of my time on Earth watching them.

I'd have to give Doom a 6/10. I didn't hate it, but meh.

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Since you brought up the Superfriends, Kevin Conroy, to me, is the worst Batman voice since Olan Soule, who is unfortunately the voice of Batman which imprinted on me, since his was the first cartoon Batman voice I ever heard and he was that voice for several years. He has such an old man's voice, and when I grew up and actually learned about Batman's true nature, the Super Friends really pissed me off, and Olan Soule's little old man voice was the turd on top of that shit sandwich. Then came Kevin Conroy-

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Since you brought up the Superfriends, Kevin Conroy, to me, is the worst Batman voice since Olan Soule, who is unfortunately the voice of Batman which imprinted on me, since his was the first cartoon Batman voice I ever heard and he was that voice for several years. He has such an old man's voice, and when I grew up and actually learned about Batman's true nature, the Super Friends really pissed me off, and Olan Soule's little old man voice was the turd on top of that shit sandwich. Then came Kevin Conroy-

 

Aw man, you're really on a rampage. Olan Soule? Gee wiz. All those shows are in a state of grace as far as I'm concerned. If I want to watch a cartoon where the Penguin is a jewel thief in Gotham and not a flipperhanded bookloving Danny Devito, Filmation's got me covered. And Superfriends will always be an inviolate time capsule of the era when Lex Luthor could steal the sun if the fancy struck him. Whenever in doubt, go back to basics; that's what I say, and you can't get more basic than some of those plots :tongue:

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Go back and listen to batman with your eyes closed. You'll swear he's 90 yrs old.

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Ouchie. I think the problem with this movie is that it's not really about anything or anyone. Some of the scenarios Batman devised to incapacitate the League are ridiculously overwrought even by comic book billionaire mastermind standards. Further the villains remind me of the JL animated characters that were trotted out by Timm and McDuffie because (they claim in the commentaries) DC gave them free access to the toy chest of obscure and forgotten heroes for that show. It's not even about Vandal Savage, who comes off as a bit of a doofus after his many stressful lifetimes, and in the wake of the JL episode "Hereafter" it's really hard to buy his portrayal, even though that shouldn't matter. It's not about Batman because they all know he's a paranoid loner and the decision to keep trusting him at the end of a standalone movie is a foregone conclusion. Trying to dangle that as a dramatic conflict is preposterous in light of all the discussions that have already been had about whether other versions of the character should keep kryptonite in his utility belt and whether it would be useful anyway. So I guess you can look at it as an unfulfilling set of vignettes about the League with a weak unifying plotline but there are still gaffes. I would rather see Hal wield the ring than John or Kyle (jury's out on Guy) but he's supposed to be a slice of white bread, and not Nathan Fillion. Claudia Black made a good Cheetah though.

I don't think you need to worry about any of the problems with this movie contaminating TDKRe. I happen to like Kevin Conroy but he's overrated by the nerd community and his run with the character is ending one way or another. I haven't been pleased with any animated portrayal of Superman since Superfriends. They don't inspire respect. Of the other movies you mentioned I think "Under the Red Hood" is sadly underrated and "Crisis on Two Earths" is the most passable despite its screwball alternate universes storyline. "All Star Superman" did no justice to the book and "Year One" was one of those stories that probably shouldn't have been translated to film in the first place, though I enjoyed it. "New Frontier" had me until the ending, but that battle is not the show-stopper that belonged at the end of that story. As for "Public Enemies" and "Apocalypse" I reserve for them the same level of contempt you have for JLDoom and I apologize to myself for having spent some of my time on Earth watching them.

I'd have to give Doom a 6/10. I didn't hate it, but meh.

 

It was really about pimping out the "New Coke DCU" hence they butchered McDuffie's script, force Rosenbaum to voice Sir Barry of Boring instead of Wally, chose Hal

Jordan over John Stewart (or Kyle since he was in the orginal story) including Cyborg while using JLU as a cloak for the New 52 bullshit.

 

The moment the anounce Hal, Barry, Cyborg and Vandal Savage I wash my hands off buying any DC DTV ever again.

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It was really about pimping out the "New Coke DCU" hence they butchered McDuffie's script, force Rosenbaum to voice Sir Barry of Boring instead of Wally, chose Hal

Jordan over John Stewart (or Kyle since he was in the orginal story) including Cyborg while using JLU as a cloak for the New 52 bullshit.

 

You're right, but you're describing why it went wrong and I was describing how.

I choose willful ignorance where the inept machinations of suits are concerned. Try as they might executives can't attain to creativity, nor realize that they can't. They'll only ruin a set of intellectual properties to the degree that the stories yield a marginal profit, which technically meets their goal. These pods are as dangerous to art as they are to the environment, and for the same reasons. I can't deny their existence, but I hate to be reminded of it.

 

The moment the anounce Hal, Barry, Cyborg and Vandal Savage I wash my hands off buying any DC DTV ever again.

 

I assume you mean stories that are contaminated by marketing strategies, whereas something like TDKRe must be worth watching?

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Wait just a damn minute. Slinker, I love you like a much older and much weirder distant uncle, but Kevin Conroy is bad ass! And he looks like Rorshach!

WTF?

 

Didn't see the flick in question though.

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Then you must see it in order to understand. I realize it's just a matter of taste--but I loved Conroy in the old Batman: Animated Series. He sounds different now, less fearsome, more tired.

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