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This is shit. I don't see why they can't just have Hellblazer continue parallel to all that shit, like Marvel does with their MAX line. I don't see why Hellblazer needs to be taken away just to legitimize the New 52 version. About three quarters of the new 52 stuff should be cancelled first.

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This is shit. I don't see why they can't just have Hellblazer continue parallel to all that shit, like Marvel does with their MAX line. I don't see why Hellblazer needs to be taken away just to legitimize the New 52 version. About three quarters of the new 52 stuff should be cancelled first.

 

Well, Marvel's MAX line has always been pretty much a failure.

They never seriously pursued having two distinct Punisher titles, and Punisher was the only MAX books that was actually successful, so it's not like it's a model to look towards.

I think DC could continue with the ways things have been, but I think they just feel a need to get all creator owned books out of Vertigo.

I don't know. For all we know, Vertigo might really be wrapping up at this point, like Slinker guessed.

 

And, don't worry. About 3/4s of the "New 52" titles are on the chopping block. That's why they needed a Constantine book in the DCU. After they launch that new Prince Ra-Man ongoing series, they're really having to scramble to find more characters who can replace all the titles they're being forced to cancel.

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Some more from Eliis on Twitter...

"There must be a thousand people thinking "yes! It's time for MY sweary British occult investigator comic!""

"Obviously, I will read all one thousand of them. You can't have enough of that sort of thing."

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I'm with Abhi. His idea is very good. Shame that wont happen.

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I would say that Mr Slinker is prone to hyperbole and catastrophising, but filtering our collective disappointment through the wildly exaggerated "hatred" of DC and saying that Keanu is shite (here we go again) is not going to help matters.

 

This. I also feel as disappointed and annoyed as Slinker (maybe not so much with the Keanu thing), but it's just pointless at the end of the day. I still feel the same about The Authority turning to shit years ago, but no amount of bitching is actually going to make me feel better.

 

I found some of the comments over on the CBR article quite interesting - people musing on how central Constantine has become to the DC Dark line, how they've enjoyed his portrayal in those comics and how it makes perfect sense to give him his own title routed in that setting.

 

I was reading some reviews of JLD the other day and I was surprised - given how shit I and everyone on here thought it was - that it was getting such great reviews. Traditionalists as we are with our deep love for Classic JC, we are apparently outnumbered by those who prefer the New Improved JC.

It's not really surprising, now that it's actually happened, that they'd put all their eggs in this new JC-lite version given how many people are enjoying it. We're in the minority now because there is an alternative JC that other folk are just lapping up.

 

I really wish they would give it a proper send-off. Not just conclude with Milligan's story but do a small run of issues written by some of the great writers who have been on Hellblazer in the past. I would love to see a nice little series of shorts done by Carey, Gaiman, Ellis, Delano et al. At the very least, the series deserves to go out on a high and not just wrapping up Milligan's latest effort.

 

This would have been a fine idea. Shame.

 

 

Titled Constantine, the upcoming series promises to keep many of the strongest elements that have helped to define the character in the past while adding additional twists too as he finds his way in the New 52 universe.

 

And those twists being? A new look and removal of accent? Maybe?

 

"He's going to be the same age that he is in "Justice League Dark" and the same character that people know and recognize —the drinking and smoking, the con man aspect of him — that's going to be very much part of the series," said Robert Vendetti. "It's my goal to have the new CONSTANTINE series be equal parts familiarity and surprise. This will be the Constantine we all know and love, but facing new and unexpected challenges from both inside and out."

 

I mean, it's right there, folks.

 

So his drinking, smoking and conning, but probably not his nationality or appearance? No more "innits"?

 

I haven't read anything that would make me think this is what's going to happen. Sure, you can infer that from what was quoted above, but then you even more easily take it at face value.

 

Of course the beauty of it is since no-one is apparently going to be reading Constantine, Slinker will never know if he's right :icon_wink:

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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/11/08/things-you-wont-see-in-a-john-constantine-comic-book-again/

 

:-)

 

Like I say, we've been lucky that DC have let Hellblazer run its course to issue 250 before they started shitting it out like an ice cream vendor selling turd cones.

 

[Nope, Slinker, maybe I am just not as good at this as you ;-) ]

 

Realistically, there are a bunch of new readers who are enjoying the de-aged Constantine - who we dislike variously because he is (1) hanging around with superheroes (2) not allowed to fuck or say "fuck" (3) both of these things.

DC revamping the character so they can re-use him sits within the established rebooting of comics "Universes".

That's the enemy of creativity at work here.

 

I know some of you folks were looking forward to the reintegration of Constantine into the DCU, and I'd rather have had this version than JLD. In six years time they will have a big crossover of the DCU Dark books which ends with two large hands arm wrestling over the cosmos. And Constantine will be stood at the bar drinking shots and making fun of both sides.

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Aww, I'm just havin' a go, as you lot say. I don't care much for DCU New 52 John, and I think that one Bleeding Cool article about shit we'll never see in a John Constantine comic ever again hits the target in the bullseye, but ultimately none of it matters. I find my friend Spidey to be somewhat charismatic and also find it easy to get worked up when he does because sometimes he makes a tiny bit of sense. We could have kept posting shit all night long. I guess we did from your point of view since you're waking up and I'm still here.

 

Someone on Tumblr took issue with the 50 or so people who reblogged his lamentation post which had some of the articles in this thread, his editorial and those pics of mine in Rogan's picture thread. And this person--should I go look for the post? No, Tumblr is crazy. In one post she says that she predicted Hellblazer's demise when 'Milligan's softcore porn approach to stories started appearing monthly' (something to that effect), and when Jef's post criticized Milligan for not knowing the character the book was about and Milligan basically sort of preceding the inevitable end, this schizophrenic nutjob posts "Oh, right, it's all Milligan's fault that the new book is going to suck" (no one said that as far as I could tell) and she said JLD out sells Hellblazer 3 to 1, which might be true, but that just indicates appeal to the lowest common denominator, not really that the character is interesting, or that Hellblazer should or shouldn't be cancelled. It sucks, but it's obvious HB had not enough appeal to a sustainable number of readers to make it work.

 

I think if you brought in a new writer and left Bisley and Camuncoli in place as the art team and spent some money on promotions as well as making John into a multimedia star--not just in DCU but perhaps a TV show, since supernatural shows tend to do well , at least initially? Re-release the traded volumes and numbering them was a good idea I read somewhere. And for piss sakes, trade the entire run. I think if they traded Jenkins now, he would fly off the shelves, if for no other reason than the new fans thinking "what the hell is this and why have I never heard of this Jenkins before?"

 

From reading tumblr and facebook (FB seems strangely in agreement with us here, by most accounts last night), it seems like many of the new Hellblazer fans came aboard due to the movie and during Carey's run. I must have read 10 posts, really long love letters to John C., all saying basically that, and now, I've softened my stance on the movie. I still hate everything about it, but it seems that it did do what it was meant to do by bringing pilgrims to the fold-just not to the scale it was projected to. And if I want to be nit-picky, that would be because of the idiotic changes and ignoring established continuity. Because I KNOW if they'd have made a movie that stayed true to the comic, it would have been way more successful just here in the USA so they didn't have to wait and count on Europe to break even or show profit. A faithful adaptation of John Constantine would have propelled the title further past #300, I think.

 

But did anyone see the list of creators,both writers and artists, lamenting that they'll never get to work on the book? WHat the fuck, DC? You just throw in the towel without giving Brian Wood, or Ryan Kelly a shot, or Kieron Gillen who said "Part of me also thinks "You're not a real British Comics Writer unless you've written Hellblazer". So that's me doomed."

 

and this exchange:

 

 

Paul Cornell

"I guess I always sort of assumed that one day I would write Hellblazer."

 

Si Spurrier

"[in reply to Cornell] Me too, mate. Closest I ever got was a pisstake in Bec and Kawl. Now I feel bad."

 

Ryan Kelly

"The only Hellblazer I'll ever get to draw is crappy fan art. I'll be at the bar, sobbing."

 

It almost breaks your heart to dream about what could have been.

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You're right, JLD outsells Hellblazer on the basis of people buying into the DCU.

But the bottom line is that DCU is selling stuff that carries adverts rather than producing quality items.

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Definitely. And Hellblazer makes the bulk of its sales in trades, right? As opposed to monthlies. When I first started collecting trades, Hellblazer was all over the place, but I wasn't into it yet. But I've always seen Original SIns and Dangerous Habits on the shelves of every comic shop I've ever visited.

 

Bleeding Cool has some great articles about all this. Then you get to the forum and see some real dickheads and idiots. They wouldn't like me at all. Hee hee.

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it seems like many of the new Hellblazer fans came aboard due to the movie and during Carey's run. I must have read 10 posts, really long love letters to John C., all saying basically that, and now, I've softened my stance on the movie. I still hate everything about it, but it seems that it did do what it was meant to do by bringing pilgrims to the fold-just not to the scale it was projected to.

 

I think this is key to why a lot of us who've been hanging around this place for a very long time aren't really especially down on the movie - because we remember exactly this happening during the time before and immediately after the film came out. This place was absolutely buzzing for several years, and the interest generated by the film definitely led to a lot of cool people discovering the comic and falling in love with it, and quite a few of them ended up as regulars around these parts. It was a really good time to be a Hellblazer reader, even if the film itself was pretty naff.

 

 

Anyway, R.I.P. to my favourite comic. It's been a long time since it was really that, of course, but it'll always have a place in my heart. I've been reading and collecting the book for pretty much the entirety of my adult life, and it's going to be genuinely strange now that it's gone. Like a few of you, I'm really quite surprised by how sad this news has made me - I've been one of the more consistent voices saying that the monthly book should be cancelled for years now, and I was even moderately in favour of putting him back into the mainstream DCU (as long as it didn't damage the existing adult-oriented version of the character - and if it turns out that we'll get the occasional mature-readers OGN in the future, I'll be a lot happier about this) but now that it's happening, and happening like this, it still feels a bit gutting.

 

Ho hum. Roll on, John.

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Besides, to take the skeleton of Jef's "Make Constantine into Constanteen" theory, this marketting ploy may well be linked to Guillermo Del Toro being linked with a JLD movie. What can possibly go wrong ?*

 

*Please ignore the context of how pleased we were about Peter Milligan taking on Hellblazer.

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Well, it's the end of an era. 300 issues. It's lasted longer than virtually anything else. Very few franchises can sustain themselves for more than twenty years without getting into the shit. Lately, even I've been finding Hellblazer stretched and thin. I'd rather John go away and have adventures in my imagination than to let it drag out and become utter pap. John's an excellent character (Moore and Bissette make 'em to last) and he's currently not doing much that's awesome. So let it rest.

 

But JLD is crap. Like so much else, how good John is depends on the writer, and I don't see any I'd erally want writing him now. But I'll buy Constantine until they cancel it, because I'm That Nerd.

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Besides, to take the skeleton of Jef's "Make Constantine into Constanteen" theory, this marketting ploy may well be linked to Guillermo Del Toro being linked with a JLD movie. What can possibly go wrong ?*

 

The plot thickens!

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Paul Cornell

"I guess I always sort of assumed that one day I would write Hellblazer."

 

Si Spurrier

"[in reply to Cornell] Me too, mate. Closest I ever got was a pisstake in Bec and Kawl. Now I feel bad."

 

Ryan Kelly

"The only Hellblazer I'll ever get to draw is crappy fan art. I'll be at the bar, sobbing."

 

Dan Didio, you utter retard!! :mad:

 

Cornell was my first choice for who should write the book had Milligan been removed.

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Speaking of Dan Didio

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/dc-is-supremely-proud-of-just-canceled-hellblazer-dan-didio-assures/

We’re supremely proud of Vertigo’s Hellblazer, one of the most critically-acclaimed series we’ve published,......And no one should worry that John is going to hang-up his trenchcoat — he lives on in March, in the pages of the all-new DC Comics New 52 ongoing series, Constantine

 

This makes it all better, right?

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While the poster in the Robot6 might not been a fan of the title, his point's still valid.

 

So…

 

Some of you are finally starting to wake up and understand what others have been telling you about 52 and the editorial troika (Didio-Lee-Johns) at DC for over a year now???

 

Good!

 

And while I DIDN’T read Hellblazer — not my cup of tea –, I understand the importance of the Vertigo line to DC.

I have nothing against adult comics… I don’t want my superheroes written this way to be honest(!), but at the same time there’s a need for a more adult line that operates outside the regular rules which frankly work better for the likes of Batman and Superman.

 

Why DC can’t understand these basic concepts and stop F’ing everything over is beyond me.

I have never seen the Big Two operated so poorly now. I honestly believe a lot of the edicts are being driven solely by what’s going on with the live-action movies…. They’re already paying for that.

 

We’ll see what happens when they rerun those 20- and 40-year-old storylines once too often for even the surviving monthly fans that are left. I can tell you NEITHER company has created much of anything good the past 20-25 years that’s worth adapting.

 

I’m surprised that DC thinks “Flashpoint” is worth animating but hey, look who’s one of the bigshot editors there who gets more reprints than any other writer for DC has — including many of the MUCH better writers like Englehart, Moore, Wein, etc. — and you’ll see priorities are more than a little screwed up. The egos of these current guys-in-charge are sure worse than what I’ve seen/witnessed before…

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I think the Big Two are making the same mistakes we saw in the early-1990s, except the economy isn't where it was during that period. I think there are people who lived through those days who think of them as the glory years, and really expect to hit that same hot point again, like magic in a bottle. They're very delusional. The market for comics is the smallest it's been in history, I believe. At least as far as monthly comics are concerned. TPBs probably figure in to that, but if you can't afford to publish the monthlies anymore, you either won't have that book store business anymore either, or you need to totally change your model of publishing.

Regardless of all that, they're still delusional.The early-1990s aren't coming back, and considering the amount of creativity involved during that period and what followed after that bubble burst, I can't believe there are people who really want it to come back. Yes, comics were cool, and sales were booming, but they need to remember it was a blip in the history of comics. It came and went, and left a bankrupt Marvel, and shattered sales in its wake. It's not like it was a prolonged period.

Eventually, this superhero movie craze will burn out too. People will get sick of seeing Spider Man in movies all the time, and move on to some other hot movie trend that Hollywood strikes.

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Paul Cornell

"I guess I always sort of assumed that one day I would write Hellblazer."

 

Si Spurrier

"[in reply to Cornell] Me too, mate. Closest I ever got was a pisstake in Bec and Kawl. Now I feel bad."

 

Ryan Kelly

"The only Hellblazer I'll ever get to draw is crappy fan art. I'll be at the bar, sobbing."

 

It almost breaks your heart to dream about what could have been.

 

Yeah, you think that. But, when DC looked at the books, and saw they could have a creatively intelligent comic book with Brain Wood having a go at the HB comic versus the sales that they could have with Geoff Johns writing Constantine in the DCU, you know which way their heads turned.

It's all about trying to find that next hot property, not worrying about creativity and artistry.

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From our boy, Tim Bradstreet (I asked him of Facebook about his reaction to the news):

 

Tim Bradstreet

 

It's an amazing thing to hit 300 issues in any run. For that, Congratulations to Hellblazer! I was there for 200 ;)blank.gif Relaunching JC at DCU? Don't like that at all. Hellblazer was the first Vertigo book. It launched the whole line, and there it should stay.

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Was it the 1st Vertigo book? Or was Sandman?

 

He's got a point, though. 300 issues is a hell of a run for a character that not many people know about.

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Was it the 1st Vertigo book? Or was Sandman?

 

He's got a point, though. 300 issues is a hell of a run for a character that not many people know about.

Well, Swampy, our man Conjob and Sandman were the founding titles. Still...

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