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Hellblazer #300

  

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Well, we know where the 9 came from then. I was about to ask then read the post above mine. It was that good to you, huh? Well, I'll be damned.

 

The consensus for the end over on Tumblr is "complete suck." There is a stray "eeeee - giggle. I LOVED it!" here and there, but mostly images from the comic's glory days with many cuss words following them. It warmed my heart.

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Speaking of Delano, I think they misspelled his name on the bottles there at the end.

 

I hate that ending, not because its ambiguous, but because I cannot tell what the hell is going on with it.

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Well, we know where the 9 came from then. I was about to ask then read the post above mine. It was that good to you, huh? Well, I'll be damned.

 

The consensus for the end over on Tumblr is "complete suck." There is a stray "eeeee - giggle. I LOVED it!" here and there, but mostly images from the comic's glory days with many cuss words following them. It warmed my heart.

Well, he is a noob.

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from a review:

 

In the pub, we find a withered John surrounded by what looks like Karen Berger, Shelly Bond, Will Dennis, and someone else I don’t know from Vertigo editorial. To the other side, we see three chaps, who I assume are the current creative team, Milliagan, Camuncoli, and Stefano Landini. Along the walls of liquor are the names of everyone who ever worked on Hellblazer.

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I hope thats not who is represented there.

 

If that's the case it's a bit egotistical to write yourself into a comic's final issue in that way. I could understand if they drew Moore & Delano, but this would be like putting yourself on a pedestal.

 

The editorial teams I can understand, but the creative folk already have their names on the bottles. Why should Milligan et al get more prominence (apart from self promotion)?

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Well, as much damage as he did, he might as well piss on its corpse with his own image.

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I hope thats not who is represented there.

 

If that's the case it's a bit egotistical to write yourself into a comic's final issue in that way. I could understand if they drew Moore & Delano, but this would be like putting yourself on a pedestal.

 

The editorial teams I can understand, but the creative folk already have their names on the bottles. Why should Milligan et al get more prominence (apart from self promotion)?

Well, he did put Shade and his blue-haired Mary Sue on a pedestal while making a mockery of the title's history

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Well, as much damage as he did, he might as well piss on its corpse with his own image.

 

What makes its all ironic is eveything from Epiphany to this issue happened on Shelly Bond's watch. Not saying it's her fault but she did let all of the crazy shit Milligan's done slide (liked Suicide Bridge). He was somewhat restraint but competant when Bob Shreck edited his last five issues as editor.

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Just looked up a photo of Camuncoli and it seems likely the trio is them. It's hardly a great crime compared with other faults of the issue.

 

Merely like someone tagging their graffiti on the wall of the National Gallery.

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Just read the thing. In my view not as bad as some people obviously think, but nothing very great or satisfactory either. Too many rushed resolutions of story lines and too many left hanging, Sort of not a cold Big Mac, but definitely not a filet mignon either. A tad depressing, slightly intriguing, not quite good enough. I ahve decided that I WILL try the first issue of Constantine and see if it is every bit as bad as the preview. Just so I can moan, you understand...

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Sigh.

 

While I appreciate the sentiment, I am not happy that this is quoted here,

stripped of the double meaning it had in the original context.

 

Might I recommend the rolling eyes smilie?

:icon_rolleyes:

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Did read it again and again and it actually gets worse. It may be me, but after the promo text it should be about the constantine and everything what made his comic great, yet after I read it a second time i get the feeling he isnt even there.

 

Its about epiphany, about finn, and a little gemma. for a series which ran that long its a bit awkward that the very last issue is about characters which are relatively new to the series, even gemma feels new to me compared to the way she was build up in the rest of hellblazer before (before the wedding).

 

Even worse, the things which constantine allegedly had to set right werent even his fault, fin for example. There was nothing really there anymore which has to burden him and in turn make his decision to be killed logical.

 

The last Time he saw gemma she was more or less ok (for a constantine) she returns to the wedding already as a wreck and from then on its suddenly johns fault that she is that way. What made this series grat for me was Johns defiance of everything that was thrown in his way either be it his fault for beeing an idiot, a bastard or just naively wrong, and the things which just happened around him, every time he was defiant and got through it. Even as he gave up magic in the end he gave an up yours to the london magic community. Only time remember he was really down was at the end of his relation to kit, which is also the only woman who walked out on him on her own accord.

 

for me theres nothing to be liked about this issue, it wasnt about all the great things hellblazer, it wasnt even really about onstantine, it wasnt logical, and fuck you for being a lazy writer to write such an abomination and then declare it to be "something to think about for the readers". Assholes.

 

edit: also, no nergal but julian, fuck you again.

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Did read it again and again and it actually gets worse. It may be me, but after the promo text it should be about Constantine and everything what made his comic great, Yet after I read it a second time i get the feeling he isnt even there.

 

Its about Epiphany, about Finn, and a little Gemma. for a series which ran that long its a bit awkward that the very last issue is about characters which are relatively new to the series, even Gemma feels new to me compared to the way she was build up in the rest of Hellblazer before (before the wedding).

 

Even worse, the things which Constantine allegedly had to set right werent even his fault, fin for example. There was nothing really there anymore which has to burden him and in turn make his decision to be killed logical.

 

The last Time he saw Gemma she was more or less ok (for a constantine) she returns to the wedding already as a wreck and from then on its suddenly johns fault that she is that way. What made this series grat for me was Johns defiance of everything that was thrown in his way either be it his fault for beeing an idiot, a bastard or just naively wrong, and the things which just happened around him, every time he was defiant and got through it. Even as he gave up magic in the end he gave an up yours to the london magic community. Only time remember he was really down was at the end of his relation to Kit, which is also the only woman who walked out on him on her own accord.

 

For me theres nothing to be liked about this issue, it wasnt about all the great things Hellblazer, it wasn't even really about Constantine, it wasn't logical, and fuck you Peter Milligan for being a lazy writer to write such an abomination and then declare it to be "something to think about for the readers". Asshole.

 

edit: also, no Nergal but Julian, fuck you again.

 

See, DC. Even got the newbies from here pissed.

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Yes, I would very much like to know why anyone who found it a very positive issue, felt that way. I don't have a problem with someone thinking it was a great ending (or maybe a great issue?), as that's their opinion, but I'd like to see a full explanation for the reasoning.

 

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Milligan made sure that Jamie Delano's name was misspelled too? The final indignity. : )

"Just write Delgado. Harlan Ellison will know who we're talking about."

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Yes, I would very much like to know why anyone who found it a very positive issue, felt that way.

 

Thirded, and for much the same reason. To be honest, it'd be quite nice to see a few dissenting voices feel able to speak up in defence of their - completely reasonable - feelings and thoughts about the issue, especially if we can collectively refrain from, for example, suggesting that their opinions don't really count because their post count on this forum isn't high enough.

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This caps off Milligans run if you lot have been paying any attention to the sub elements of his stories. In a old interview he mentioned that he was basing his Constantine off real life, and everybody knows that real life doesn't really have any solid conclusions to it. Thus the whole ending is just that.. A non ending with nothing being explained and more questions being asked.

 

The problem with that notion is that this is a comic book, Book being the key word here. An when reading a book, most readers want to have some logical and understandable conclusion to said story. (Unless of course you read Twilight.. Then you just have very bad taste and deserved the horrible shite ending those books gave you.). The main point here is that Hellblazer was a book that lasted 300 issues for 3 decades ( I think). Not many comic books last that long.. So, you would expect it to have some sort of resolution to the story besides John getting shot with a magic bullet and ending up in a pub alone.... Which explains nothing at all.

 

In fact that is almost how most of Hellblazer's stories have ended, though that would be AFTER the conclusion of a arc finishing up..

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Yeah. I don't think magic bullets really apply to real life. Plus, most of his characters hardly acted very realistic.

I never expected much of an ending really. Just an ending that was somewhat clear would have been nice.

Ending could have been far worse.

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I think a writer has to be clear, the best storys be it books, movies, comics (or graphic novels if you like to impress the hipster crowd with fancy words) are the ones which are clear and open to interpretation. Basic examples would be the fables (is this the right english term for it?) and I dont mean the comics. There you have a simple story like the one about the tourtoise and the rabbit, and you also have a simple moral under it which you can debate.

 

Of course its the simplest example which comes to mind, but it illustrates my point that theese storys, although having an underlying theme, fully function without it. I could tell theese to a little kid before it goes to bed and it would have had heard a good story, I could tell it to a slightly older kid and It would have had a god story and something to think about.

 

Some posters here have pointed out their ideas what could be the meaning of some of the going ons in the story, and whether I like them or not, sure some sound entirely possible, thats not my main problem. If I would strip theese away (or put everyone who dares to overanalyze this piece of..work in a dark chamber in my basement and gag hem), the story falls apart entirely.

 

As not only a Fan of Comics but also a fan of videogames I am shocked when I see that at the same time when people try to get their favorite medium accepted as works of art and not merely entertaning stuff for kids and manchilds (sorry to the ladys) nobody (at least in the many reviews I have seen) has the balls to call bullshit.

 

The same happened some time ago with the ending of mass effect and instead of fans calling bullshittery and lazy writing a great portion of those fans had gone to great lenghts to explain why the ending wasnt in fact lazy shit writing and instead some conspiracy theory writing by the creators which had to be analyzed and is entirely plausibly if you have the nerve to write hundreths of pages of essays regarding the topic.

 

 

I happily accept that there are underlying themes in this issue, that the writer had made up his mind at some point and tried to present the reader with stuff to interpret by themselves and think about, but that fucking matters not if the foundation of that is broken.

 

If you cant be arsed to write a basic functioning story you sure as fuck should not add some convoluted themes and ideas to your already messy script, and the only thing which is worse than your abllity as a writer of this particular piece is the nerve of reviewers to not call you out and instead overanalyze and also praise it like some filthy coffeshop hipsters.

 

edited for typos and other stuff

 

edit again:

 

Also, every hellblazer fan or reviewer who overanalyzes this issue should think about what John has said about Cats : p

Edited by Kei

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