Jump to content
Demon Chas08

This Is Where It Started (A comic called Hellblazer)

Recommended Posts

Hey! John Constantine is currently trending. I'm scared by this new world . Someone hold me.

post-42-0-97052200-1394726236_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey! John Constantine is currently trending. I'm scared by this new world . Someone hold me.

post-42-0-97052200-1394726236_thumb.jpg

 

And the first in the 15 months since the Hellblazer Cancellation announcement, too

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

heard we lost the cig battle. any confirmation? can't they at least show him about to light up and just not actually smoking?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

heard we lost the cig battle. any confirmation? can't they at least show him about to light up and just not actually smoking?

 

What?! Shit!

 

Goyer and Cerone should've shopped the show to AMC or FX instead

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i've only read rumors, not any confirmations. but it doesn't look like he'll smoke.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i've only read rumors, not any confirmations. but it doesn't look like he'll smoke.

 

We can only hope with more on set pics and vids that the rumors can be proven wrong.....I hope

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Jesus I stop paying attention to the land of Constantine and suddenly they are making a tv show

COMPLETELY FREAKING OUT

I must research and obbsess for several days

  • Upvote 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd say it could very well be about positive versus negative portrayal of bi-sexuality and other alternative sexual identities. If you rarely ever see a portrayal of a bi-sexual individual, and then the token portrayal is of a villain or sexual deviant, it gives a certain impression, at least to many in the LGBT community...which I can understand.

Of course, I'm not saying that villains being portrayed as being involved in an "alternative lifestyle" is inherently a bad thing. Mystique and Destiny were shown to genuinely care about each other, even though they were villains in the comics.

But, the idea that this "nearly invisible group", when portrayed in media, shows up as a sexual pervert...the intention is somewhat implicit, even if it wasn't the intent. It becomes a matter of the slight minority representation standing out.

If you show a heterosexual man as a sexual pervert, it's a different context, because there are many positive portrayals of a heterosexual relationship, so it doesn't come across as much like a statement.

Which you do point to, yourself, somewhat when you say that female bi-sexuality is almost exclusively used for purposes of pleasing a certain demographic within the straight-male majority.

Hence, why I don't feel that LGBT people should be pointing to the Manor plot in Azzarello's run, because it is an extremely negative portrayal of a gay or bi-sexual relationship, one where such a sexual identity seems more perverted than natural.

 

I'm also not saying this idea of "negative role models" applies to JC, who is the protagonist of the comic/series, after all. He is a person many consider to be "cool", regardless of his sometimes dodgy morality.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's strange that homosexual characters have become almost cliche: the old queen sage who takes someone under his wing and always has such good advice and a one-liner/zing to wrap it up all pretty. Always a misunderstood protag who becomes a victim of discrimination or of violence--always something to overcome. yawn.

 

just once, i'd like to see characters of various sexual orientations where their sexual orientation never comes up - it's like, i know what my friends' sexualities are, at least the ones who've told me, and that info is filed away and I don't need to see them in their bedrooms no matter who they are with, same with vharacters on screen. I hate sex scenes in movies and tv. they aren't hot, they aren't cutting edge, they are boring, just like porn is boring. it's all the same thing, and when they try to break the mold ( or whatever - fuck ourside the box) it's always dumb as hell. the people who get off to r-rated and tv sex scenes are all under 20 something and/or not very experienced - probably get a boner every time they are naked or something. so for me, in my perfect world who the characters fuck is none of my business, so i don't give a shit, i really don't. i don't consider anyone with a "nonstandard" sexual orientation as good or bad until they've done something and I consider what motivated them to do whatever.

 

but now I realize that people with alternative sexual orientations get all jazzed about seeing a character they can identify with on TV. it's probably a young person thing, because all my gay friends are all old like me, and that shit just doesn't matter when you're old. it really doesn't. i called 3 of them while typing this and one called me a fag for asking such a dumb question. so, it's definitely an age thing.

 

you new adults with your brand new world! aren't you cute!

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Nick Neko

I pretty much agree, and think that's the direction the conversation has moved.

The stock and cliche plot of the gay person must overcome persecution, and there's a real message to the plot about diversity.

I'd like to see a character who sleeps with the same sex, or either sex, and it's not commented on or made a point.

Of couese we all want to see fully developed People, regardless. Someone who has a character and where characterization isn't based on their sexuality.

Something else that should be figured in is that sex lives don't always play a role in a plot. Maybe John won't date or sleep with any one. Maybe the stories will never call for that. Maybe John is hetero or homo or bi in the show...but that'll always be in our imaginations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Nick Neko

Also, yes, I think it's important to young people. It's different to be an adult and feel confident in who you are as a person and realize you can be a happy person. It's harder for young people to be different. They may not know anyone else who is gay. It's important for young people to try to find someone like them who is a well-adjusted adult so they can see that things aren't always like they are when you're young and trying to find yourself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We lost the smoking battle....

 

http://collider.com/...ents-interview/

 

 

Can John Constantine smoke on TV?

 

MARSHALL: No we’re not. It’s the one thing, a compromise I guess. On network it’s the one thing you can’t smoke on network. That’s one of his character traits. We’re working around that. We’re trying to get aspects of it in there as much as possible. We’ll see.

 

For fuck sake, NBC!!

 

You'll show a cop show dealing with sex crimes but not smoking?! Give over! There will always be smokers in the world whether you, the sponsors and the Surgeon General like it or not!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just didn't see it being allowed. The show is rated at PG. The government (apparently) decided that it needs to cut school funding and replace that with cigarette ads. Lots of anti-smoking ads. It's considered taboo to advertise cigarettes in any way now. It just doesn't make sense that the censors wouldn't have a serious problem with letting a protagonist smoke on a show that will be watched by teens.

Sex crimes are shown as being "particularly heinous". The actual crimes are not shown on the episodes. And, it's the villains who perform sex crimes, not the cops....on TV, not real life. heh Plus, those cop shows aren't as aimed at a teenage audience, I do not believe. And, the government didn't cut senior citizen's Social Security checks just to put anti-rap ads all over the TVs.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I do get your point though. I'm trying to be logical in a way that the censors think...which isn't very logical. You have to remember this is a country that threw a fit about sex being shown on TV, while having no problem with violence though. You have to rememeber where priorities lie.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I do get your point though. I'm trying to be logical in a way that the censors think...which isn't very logical. You have to remember this is a country that threw a fit about sex being shown on TV, while having no problem with violence though. You have to rememeber where priorities lie.

 

And as an American (and with a girlfriend and grandmother who smokes), I say the priorites are too fucked up and bizarre for the country's own good

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a non-smoker, I have absolutely no problem being a room full of smokers, even though it's much better without.

However, there is enough social engineering in mainstream TV for nefarious reasons, so well done them for doing it to avoid promoting smoking.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a non-smoker, I have absolutely no problem being a room full of smokers, even though it's much better without.

However, there is enough social engineering in mainstream TV for nefarious reasons, so well done them for doing it to avoid promoting smoking.

 

Why Goyer, Cerone or Geoff "They're Superfriends!" Johns thought shopping our boy to NBC was a good idea, we'll never know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good article.

 

I liked how Milligan was the most hesitant about the TV show.

Read his comments about how the TV show will probably treat our John Constantine.

Welcome to our world, Milligan!

 

Also, when it listed all the social commentary tackled by the Hellblazer book, every example was from the Delano tenure.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

what about the cigs, ashtray and lighter in trailer #2?

 

There's just a little glimpse of him stubbing out a cig at the start of a scene.

 

Though this thought just skittered across my brain: isn't that actually worse than making him an on-screen chain smoker? Makes smoking look like something that's easy to just pick up and put back down, and is largely consequence free. The comics made it look like a crippling addiction that was actively dangerous. Well... okay, for a while they did. Then it went back to looking kind of cool.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...