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Another thing I'm slowly not feeling is Oliver.
So far he's really done nothing to make me give a damn about him. He's just...there. He has no real relevance to the plot of the story (whatever that is), most of his appearances are small and forgettable besides his first appearance, and when he does appear, he's nothing but a ploy for this hammy, unmoving romance he and John sort of have.
If they REALLY wanted to make a love interest for John in Oliver, they should have looked at Kit Ryan. She was an engaging love interest to John along with Zed, who didn't take all of John's bullshit, and made him think on not only his life, but how much of a risk it is for theirs. Here, Oliver is just that piece of meat (no pun intended) that John's not suppose to eat, but is seething for it. That's all well and good, but the least you can do is build his character more so that I can find a reason to care.
I dunno is it his physical looks that people enjoy him? Is it something I wouldn't understand since I don't see him in a sexual manner? Because honestly he's just...boring!
Thank you!! He's just a prop and nothing more. Both this and the previous title suffered from the lack of strong female characters (omitting Zatanna who Milligan's JLD run reduced to a sidekick to where that and his run makes me wish he should've made like Chuck Austen and get exiled to Marvel & stay there) along with shitty material.
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The more I read into this series the more this feels less like Hellblazer and more like an OOC fanfiction of Hellblazer written by a Tumblr user whose writting it based on ONLY reading issue 51 and the Azzerrllo arc with SW Manor, with a lil bit of TV series "supernatural" type spooky shit on the side.
I always remind myself that this isn't suppose to be a copy of the original gritty Hellblazer comics, but...it's still urks me at times.
Pretty much and that's sadly the overall target audience for a comic that's dwindling in sales much like the New52 title before it.
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It's been alleged that fucking River Song is being trotted out yet again for the Christmas special.
Hopefully not, but if so: fuck this. I'm done with Who until they find another producer, one who can actually kill characters and make it stick.
Welcome to the resistance
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What he said
Th only positive of the issue is seeing Swampy and John together again. The bad
*Rossmo
*Tintin Revisited look
*Oliver only exists to pander to the Tumblr babies; he's a prop that might as well fit in Milligan's run like the Ellie substitute he foisted on us: Forgettable and a waste of time. Hell, SW Manor (even as a shitty obvious Batman analogue) had something going for him.
*Midnite's new look.
*Plot still barebones
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FUCK! What the hell Rossmo do to Midnite?!
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Can we have a decent script? I do not want John Constantine and the Temple of Doom.
Still bemused by the New 52esque sword fight as I am?
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CONSTANTINE: THE HELLBLAZER #9
Written by MING DOYLE and JAMES TYNION IV
Art and cover by RILEY ROSSMO
On sale FEBRUARY 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+
The truth behind the magical chaos that has befallen New York City comes out when the demonic power player Neron casts John Constantine down into the fires of Hell itself, where our occult investigator has no shortage of enemies—including an infernal ex the Hellblazer hoped he’d never see again…
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I think he should have a groovy van and drive around solving mysteries with Rich the Punk and his dog. Or that chimp from the Delano one-shot.
That's no way to talk about Syder
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I remember the first time (and only?) he tried to use a sword in Hellblazer against some demons, it didn't go too well for him...
. did kill minor demons with a knife.
The Praexis.
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Hipster damp squib?
Are you saying Constantine is no longer bi, he's now pomosexual instead?
Yes.
Come at me Social Justice Anarchists!!
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I quite enjoy Arrow but I watch it in season long chunks so won't see this for another few months - sounds like John managed to give them a healthy ratings bump, give him a pilot guys - one with no sword play (what ?).
Or just revive the show and let Cerone return to steer the ship . I still don't trust Berlanti and Guggenheim
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Gotta make sure the AWESOME! HIP! QUIRKY! COLORFUL!© toys you introduce look better on the shelf than all those older toys the other guys made!
Then our book gets canned and readers fled from Milligan's toys despite the very tiny minority that loved that run. We'll talk about this in the Milligan thread; this is about how much a hipster damp squib the new book is
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Milligan cared!
Based on the shit he did to our boy, Gemma and Angie, he sure has a fucked up way of caring
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To be fair, Ennis really built up the supporting cast as a big part of John's life, and then slaughtered them at the end of his run. We had a few good years of characterization first. This book expects us to be introduced to characters in one issue, and then care when they're killed off the next issue. I'm not saying HB writers haven't done that before.
Part of it is that we have seen this a number of times before, probably, yeah. If the whole point of this version of the book is that bad things happen to those around John, that's not that great of a hook.
I'd say it's deeper than just that superficial problem with the comic though, as there just isn't any sense of caring about any of it. It's like it's happening without any stakes. You got the feeling that John really cared when his friends died in Hellblazer. Here, I get the idea that John doesn't much care. Which rubs off on the reader that we don't really have anything to care about either.. It feels like everything is just going through the motions. We move slowly from Point A to Point C, and Point C isn't anything interesting, and we took a long detour around Point B to get to Point C.
Given what's been going down so far, I believe it's been this way dating back to Milligan then Lemire & Fawkes early on. Who really cared about Phoebe or whatsisname from New52!Johnny #1?
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nope, just because you were born some place doesnt mean you're a resident. you might've got the fuck out quick as you can and never looked back, as i imagine our john to have done.
This, goddamn it!
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it's already out in the torrents. it's dull. sorry.
[ Spoiler : john mostly is just flashback fodder and his realtime appearance is ridiculous. he fights with a sword. ]
Ugh!! I knew it!!!. This is why the likes of the Arrow camp can't be trusted with our John
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I wouldn't attack the creators. I'm sure they can do fine work (well, not Tynion. I don't know much about Doyle though, so I can't really say. The artwork is fine. I like the artwork on the book fine. Rossmo is an incredibly talented artist who should be helping to reinvent Constantine now that Hellblazer is long gone. But, I don't see how anyone could have enjoyed this issue.
There's just no real effort being put in to the story. It's as "by the numbers" basic as you can get. Anyone could have written this story....Tom DeFalco, anyone. There's nothing distinctive about it. as far as plotting. Plus, critiquing a writer or artist for not properly doing their job is perfectly acceptable. There have been continued flaws with the dialogue in this book.
If Constantine is to succeed, it needs more creativity and something different that sets is apart. Right now, there are two comics which are doing Constantine better than Constantine....Wolf and Doctor Strange....and that's a real problem.
Expecting us to pay the inflated price for one comic book issue today and then delivering a sub-par product is not acceptable. Yes, we can just drop the book. But, we're on a Hellblazer fan site. Many of us obviously care deeply about this character and want to see him succeed. We're the loyal backbone for John Constantine in the DC Universe. We're some of the few who stuck with the New 52 relaunch for all its mediocrity. We critique because we care.
We can only judge creators based on what they put on the page. Maybe Doyle does like John Constantine, but she's not a good fit for that character so far, as she isn't bringing much in the way of ideas to this book, as of yet.
Thank you!
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just found this pic on google images. https://houseofgeeke...constantine.jpgMarc Warren is playing "The Gentleman" in Jonathan Strange and Mister Norrell on the BBC right now. ...
Yeah, Marc Warren has been my pick for the role since his appearance in Accused.
Looks a bit like Bermeijo's John
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Sadly I can't see anyone else playing John besides Matt Ryan at this moment. They could get Charlie Hunnam.
Or Scot Williams.
Not familiar with Williams but fuck no to Hunnam
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I thought it was Ming Doyle doing all the work and just fobbing some of the dialogue off to Tynion?
True. Neither are a good match
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I don't know. The characterization doesn't feel fluent. It does feel like we're seeing two different interpretations of the character that the author is pulling out depending on the circumstances. John is more like Two Face than the Batman character has ever been! I really liked the John Constantine character that Doyle presented in the first issue. It was still a recognizable John Constantine, but had a distinctive tone to the character, making him other than simply an attempt to recapture the Hellblazer glory days when people liked the character more. We haven't seen that version of John since issue #1 though. He's been more superficial since.
There really wasn't anything good to say about this issue. A 4-part story-arc that felt like 12 parts, and could have been done in two. Writing that reads like someone trying to write like Brian Bendis, but having no ear for dialogue....and still trying to write like Bendis in 2015 isn't a positive thing, even if you do capture his feel for "repartee". On the positive side, it looks like Georginia is gone now. She ended up just being boring.
Thus why Tynion IV isn't a good wordsmith he thinks himself to be in his doing the comic's dialogue let alone the comic itself
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Following synopsis for the vignettes:
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Brixton, 1986
Upon his first trip home after defeating the Brujuria with a host of others, Constantine now has the time to mourn his crew. But not without a last minute call to the Tate Club where a cult has their sights on Clarice.
II. Bleedin' Las Vegas!
Las Vegas, 2002
Fresh off of settling a score in Los Angeles, Constantine finally takes one more trip out before returning to familiar surroundings. Funny how it leads to him reuniting with Zatanna and series of dead bodies resurrected for a bigger purpose….
III. Cutting Room Floor
London, Fall 2008
John makes a surprise return to Liverpool upon request of Anita Nelson as her partner falls prey to a posession of a spirit all to familar….and with a vengeance
IV. Leviathan (A Constantine 2005 Tale)
It's 2012, December 21. With a string of murders to bring forth a rising evil upon Los Angeles, Constantine has til midnight to stop a mad nun before the biggest end of the world party commences.
V. Love Like Blood (or Constantine: The Lost Episode)
Atlanta and Washington DC, Fall 2017 (Quite the time jump!). Three and a half years had past since we last saw our favorite mage. The rising darkness was thwarted along with Manny, Zed and Corrigan embraced their respective destinies, Chas is still Chas and John Constantine's still in the thick of it. With his latest girlfriend in Weekly World Star journalist Danita Wright by his side, things are finally starting to wind down for him (or so he thinks). Of course a series of vampire citings and a unlikely acquaintance in Lord Andrew Bennett begs to differ.
VI. TBD (A Constantine- The Hellblazer tale
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Stranger things have happen (see BET and The Game)*
*Or not since BET is a quality killer
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Alright, Im working on a 30th anniversary story commemorating our John and it'll be up before year's end. Here's my synopsis so far:
John Constantine's been in a personal hell he's not gotten out of in the two years since we last saw him. His niece confined him into an ordinary life with the final dart with a memory not all his own. All that changed when a mysterious woman approached him at the pub where she told him about a special treatment for the lost and the blocked to help him figure out as to whether his dreams are events that actually happened or if he's coming undone. As the treatment went under way, the woman, Chloe, produced a tape of Mucous Membrane's Venus of the Hardsell. With that, the Constantine we know showly returns as she shows him three highlights of his past adventures and another three from alternate timelines featuring various versions of himself
The past will consist of segments from 1986, 2002, & 2008 as well as three segments featuring TV!John, Tynion IV-Doyle's John and (Silk Cuts help me) Keanu!John....
Synopsis for all six segments are forthcoming and will along with the story be posted on deviantART and on here
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Constantine - The Heckblazer #7
in Other Constantinian Comics
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Harsh to Seasons 1-5 maybe but 6-11? Forgetaboutit!