A. Heathen

I can't picture him sitting down with 10 years worth of X-Men in order to do so.

Don't think I am speaking out of turn to say he has read much of that 10 years worth and can fill the gaps on websites !

That's one that Tim sent me.

An inventory cover I believe.

Hellblazer #216

 

"I didn’t bother with Mike Carey’s run, which is nothing against him (I dug Lucifer), but I was simply tired of the lack of cohesion in the series through the shifting creative teams."

 

"Mina creates a sullen atmosphere, one that envelopes an unsuspecting troubled soul left with no choice but to turn to Constantine for help. It’s all old hat to Constantine, who immediately sees through the stranger’s problem to the root of the conflict, all without leaving his barstool."

 

"However, Leonardo Manco stands as one of the few artists that can make me want to check out a book solely for the art. Manco brings a grainy, darkly realistic feel to any book he graces with his work,"

 

"I would also like to note that the new cover artist, Greg Lauren, gives the book a fresh look up front, a colossal improvement over Tim Bradstreet’s colored photographs. "

 

"Lauren gives the cover a pulp feel, both in his style and in the literal crumpled grain of the cover, making it appear aged and worn, much like Constantine himself."

Right.

Lack of cohesion so I will not pick up the longest most cohesive story of the title's history.

Repetitive Azzarello (one thing he was not) but Mina's excellent invocation of classic Hellblazer setting (what else does "old hat" mean?) is somehow new ?

Ooh here's your cake, can I eat it ?

Manco makes you want to check out a book except when he doesn't?

This Lauren cover is pulpish, but it is not an "improvement" merely a change.

And anyone who calls Tim's work coloured photographs is merely an idiot who ought not to engage in the pretence of being a reviewer.

Now I agree with the enthusiasm for Mina's debut but there's no need to knock what has gone before. Especially in such erroneous terms.

Agreed with Always here.

Simon Hughes V Mark Oaten is a triumph of old school political scandal versus New (insert party name here).

He's been outed for something that was common knowledge among people who know him and nobody else's business.

Meanwhile Oaten has been done for lying about "family values" while undermining that secretly.

There is a difference.

As Simon Hughes is something of a left winger, I hope he goes on to laugh at the Sun newspaper, whose "I'm gay too" headline story is both false and retrograde homophobic.

Sadly, Mark Outen's (sic) outing means that my appearance at an AA promotion event at the House of Commons has been cancelled (he was hosting it). Which is ironic.

My living room yesterday evening.

"I'm like, soooo smoking right now, dudes ... Constantine"

Is this actually from the movie?

 

1.Rosemary's Baby-that counts, right?

2.Devil's Advocate

3.Exorcist

4.The Omen

5.I dunno....End of Days? Only other one I can think of right now.

Three of those films are actually Man V The Devil.

God's in two of them.

Ade, these people you're planning to send... do they have webbed fingers and speech impediments?  Will one of them loom over me and say "What a revolting development thish ish"?

You're dethpicable.

Got it?  I've signed contracts on the TV miniseries.

 

I'm thinking "I'm a Duck, Get me Out of Here" would be a tasteful title.

Just so as everyone knows, if you ever touch The Duck I am going to get "people" to "visit" you. The Duck is off limits.

mummy 3? scorpion king 2??????

 

(;))

Predator 2, Gremlins 2 (predator wins 5-0 after penalties).

Fun Boy 3, U 2.

Birmingham 5, Portsmouth 0.

Constantine 2, Fantastic 4.

Oceans 11, Arse Nil.

Is that a Greg Lauren painting ?

It's hilarious that Millarworld has spoilers for an unpublished issue of Wizard.

Imagine the news with spoilers ... oh wait that's like Sven's revelations about corruption in football !

Manco now.

Frusin at his best.

Sean Phillips any time.

Manco was always going to be my favourite ever since I saw his work on Hellstorm, and he hasn't let me down.

I pointed out to James a chap on the official Vertigo board who "had issues" with Mike's writing of Hellblazer (he didn't like it at all) but on seeing some of his other discussion points, I don't think I'll bother debating with him.

chosen606

 

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From: Chosen Cavern

Registered: 4/1/04

 

  Re: Where is the gay legionaire?

Posted: Dec 13, 2005 8:54 PM

 

"And chosen606, your comment was neither witty nor funny, but then again ... biggots are rarely either. "

 

 

You know what is neither witty nor funny. People who feel they have a right to be represented and characterized. I understand if a story calls for a homosexual character. But, personally, I can't think of a story outside of something from Vertigo that would. Homosexuality is sex outside of the normal. Homosexuality is vulgar and obscene by nature. I'm not getting religious here. I'm stating fact and definition.

Should characters be defined by whom they bed? In the right forum like Vertigo that should be left to the writer. But, in the standard universe lets keep the tights and leave the tu-tus. 

and

  Re: Gay Superheroes...ok...just have to ask

Posted: Jan 4, 2006 10:25 AM      Reply 

 

 

Why am I still being attacked? I called a truce because this subject is really unimportant to me. But, in my own defense I've never made a racist statement on these boards. I don't like that it's announced that the character will be gay because I feel like the character will be flamboyantly gay because of the early announcement without even knowing who the character will be. Is the characters sexuality more important than anything else about the character? It seems to me that it must be because that's all we know of the character so far. So if this character falls in the stereotype of flamboyantly gay. I don't see how that will work or be interesting. Personally, I don't want to see two guys kissing or holding each other etc. It's offensive to me. I personally think that if this behavior is going to take place it should be done in vertigo. But, a flamboyantly gay action hero will never work because of the personality type of that type of character. That being said. I'm not writing letters to D.C. trying to stop this book from "coming out". I just simply won't be buying any copies. I don't think the book will last anyway. No gay character has ever had a successful solo book. 

Let us bring quotes from strange people from the other forums we frequent, thus to prove that for all the bitterness recently, Straight to Hell (heh heh, I said "straight") is where it's at !

Oh hark at Mr Professional Writer.

Where do you think?

Azzarello and Morrison are skinny.

The two Constanteen cash-ins. Despite what Christian says Rare Cuts is just like the the tip of the iceberg, no wait ... it's like half a dozen ice cubes made from an iceberg. They do not fill the gaps as well as could be expected and a Showcase edition or two could do that.

I note with regret that everyone's a critic but only a couple have come up with a list of their own. That's what this thread is about.

Arsebiscuits = biscuits from the arse.

Denise Mina's story "Ida Tamson" was serialized in the Glasgow Evening

Times.

Part 1 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7016980.html

Part 2 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7017018.html

Part 3 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7017052.html

Part 4 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7016993.html

Part 5 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7017072.html

Mark, James or Tom, you should write a review of the books, because so many people talking about Hellblazer at the moment are unaware of her work. And you know what them comics nerds are like about trying something alien.

Just drop Up the Down Staircase, bung in Riding the Green Lanes and the first two bits of Critical Mass and then a fourth single issue of your choice. I'd go for The Days of Wine and Roses, myself, since that's also part of the build-up to Last Man Standing. And it's got a really cool gruesome bit.

It occurs to me that we really need to get John's issue synopses up to speed. Perhaps while waiting for the longer synopses someone with a photographic memory could add stuff in ?

Hellblazer Tales.

25, 26, 27: Morrison & Gaiman whatever happened to them?

 

They got reprinted in Rare Cuts and Midnight Days. I know what you're doing, but Rare Cuts is a similar kind of set-up to this, and featuring two issues from that seems redundant.

 

118-120: Paul Jenkins single issues that work well as character pieces.

 

118- Life and Death and Taxis; this is the culmination of the subplots of all of Jenkins' supporting cast. Throwing it into the collection divorced of its context ruins it.

 

Rare Cuts and Midnight Days are pretty much worthless in the context of Hellblazer and this is to encourage people to pick up the title AND to create an actual Hellblazer library. As you know there are several stories and arcs that I would have re-edited for the purposes of trades and, as we're not going to get the Complete Hellblazer, these CHEAPER collection need to stand on its own.

Which may seem in contrast to my choosing Life Death and Taxis, but it is similar to my comments about the deaths in Reasons to be Cheerful. As I recall, you do not have to know too much about who the characters are to understand the story they tell.

The Essential Hellblazer.

94-96: Introducing The Demon Constantine.

 

Er, that's that last three issues of Critical Mass. You'll also want the first two and (possibly) Riding the Green Lanes, which introduces Rich and family.

I agree with Rogan and you on this, so I'm going to re-edit that first post accordingly.

Shite, I missed some Ennis off the first one !

Back to the drawing board.

This is a similar discussion to one we had when Vertigo dropped the Constanteen ball with two inadequate collections - actually one inadequate one and one complete and utter pile of arsebiscuits one.

Other than issues that are already available, and excluding the two movie tie-ins ("Rare Cuts" and "Worthy of the film"), what issues should be in one of those bumper black and white reprints ?

A reminder of what has been collected, and let's assume that Mike Carey's collections are completed.

Jamie Delano

Original Sins (Reprints Hellblazer #1-9)

Garth Ennis

Dangerous Habits (Reprints Hellblazer #41-46)

Fear And Loathing (Reprints Hellblazer #62-67)

Tainted Love (Reprints Hellblazer #68-71, Hellblazer Special #1, Vertigo Jam Hellblazer story)

Damnation's Flame (Reprints Hellblazer #72-77)

Rake At The Gates Of Hell (Reprints Hellblazer #78-83)

And everything from 129 onwards other than Darko Macan's two issues.

Let the fighting begin !

My suggestions for two volumes of 20 issues each:

The Essential Hellblazer.

10, 11, 12: framing Newcastle in it's original sequence gives it a context that would stand alone in this collection.

24, 28-30 The Family Man

35 Dead Boy's Heart

52-55 Royal Blood

59-61 Guys and Dolls

109: The Wild Hunt sets the scene for

110 - 114: Last Man Standing.

(20 issues)

Hellblazer Tales.

25, 26, 27: Morrison & Gaiman whatever happened to them?

85- 88: Eddie Campbell's Hellfire Club.

105: Coleridge

118-120: Paul Jenkins single issues that work well as character pieces.

144 & 145 Darko Macan's tale

Hellblazer/Books of Magic

Hellblazer: Bad Blood.

(19 issues, could be bulked out with some of the Secret Files & summary of missing issues.)

On reflection, 121 - 128: Up the Down Staircase and How to Play With Fire should be issued for them First of the Fallen completists. Perhaps with added Demon Constantine origin to make a third volume called "The Paul Jenkins Soap Opera Years".