Christian

A.) Listening famous people makes our lists accesible to all people. I could list that bully from 8th grade, but his name isn't going to warrant much of any sort of response from other Forum members.

B.) I've never know anyone powerful enough to fuck over a large number of people. Sure, one woman I knew fucked over a ton of men, but still her roving around taking advantage of men isn't going to average the same figures as Ronald Reagan fucking over the whole of Central America.

Well, they'd have to be to be in some form to create such a huge cult of personality around themselves.

They were also people with very severe personality disorders.

We're also assuming that most people working menial jobs are in that place because some intellectual quotient said that they should be working there.

You'll find that a good number of people in charge of large corporations or govt. positions suffer from some type of personality disorder which allowed them to vastly suceed over people with conscience to get to that position. They've found socially acceptable manners to work within.

At the same time, a large number of people who suffer from crippling mental disorders (such as depression, anxiety, mania, etc.) rank very highly in intelligence, but due to their disorders, they never make it anywhere in life near their full potential.

Yeah, that's a part of it, Gen.

But, sometimes, with the people you're closest to, you really wonder what they were like as kids.

I mean, they can tell you, "I dressed this way, hung around these guys, listened to these bands", and you get a glimpse, but you can never really know exactly what they were.

It's like you missed that whole huge chunk of their lives.

Your lover, you watch them change, and you never really notice how different they become, because you're with them every day, living it with them. But, then, after they're gone, you look back to when you first met and realize how much they actually changed in that time you were together. Not that "I don't even know this person anymore!" stuff, but just that natural maturing process of life, you know?

And, you realize, "man, this has been 5 (or whatever) years I've known this person", what were they like at 16 (for example)?

You can never really know, because that time is gone.

Watchmen was never a Vertigo book. It's always been DC. It's not even "Suggested for mature readers", somehow.

"Hellblazer:Original Sins" was never a superhero book and H.B. is currently part of the Vertigo line-up, so there'd be no need for changes in that title at all. Vertigo has been attempting to retcon all traces of J.C. from the DCU, as J.C. is now considered part of the Vertigo universe, or so I understand it.

All the books originally published by Vertigo or picked up by Vertigo along the way are staying in the Vertigo logo.

I guess falling sales might have led DC to decide to rethink the purpose of the Vertigo line?

It's a mature readers line which publishes any genre OTHER than superheroes or superhero related books. That was the purpose of Vertigo from around their 4th year, which is why "Watchmen" was never inducted into Vertigo, I think, too much of a superhero story (even if a damn fine and innovative one).

Vertigo still published DCU characters who eschewed superheroics, such as Sgt. Rock (a war story), but lately Vertigo decided they needed to break all ties with the DCU (a superhero universe), in any way, shape, or form.

Isn't Karen Berger and Jon Vankin in charge of Vertigo currently?

There's a "Hellblazer" short story by Garth Ennis in a copy of "Vertigo:Winter's Edge", it's a really grande story, about John sitting in a bar on Christmas eve (New Year's Eve? nah....) reminiscing about his dead friends, wondering what they were like as children.

Do you ever do this; wonder about someone close to you (your wife, lover, best friend, obsessive object of sexual lust) who you met when you were 21, 26, 30, whatever age, that you have no idea what they were like in high school, elementary school?

I'm not sure what I'm trying to make out of this topic. These maudlin moments. I've just been doing it tonite and wonder what anyone else might make of this topic, might share.

Congratulations

It's really hard to think about Israelis as a voiceless people considering that everything Red stated about Israel is true, and equating the people who are allowed to own land with the people living under apartheid is Orwellian, but I'd say that the Israeli people are very much like the American people; victims of their govt.

Can someone in the U.S. tell me when this is on now?

Cartoon Network keeps fucking moving it around!

Everytime I find it and actually remember to watch it for a few weeks, they move the damn thing to another time and then I have a hell of a time finding it!

Heh, those were all cool cartoons, Spider.

Did you see the "Family Guy" episode where they were interviewing the Herculoids for a job as baby-sitters?

If I remember correctly, Steve Gerber created and wrote that "Thundarr the Barbarian" cartoon.

Nah....haven't you heard Communism died about 15 years ago? And, it seems that History, itself, died with it!

"I've always found casual sex to be pretty disappointing myself. Sure, the sex is good, but immediately after all I can think about is the escape.

No. I only want to have sex in a loving relationship but that's just me."

I agree with Lou here.

I'm perfectly happy doing it by myself, if that's what it takes.

I've spent nearly 5 years getting all the sex I want, from a loving partner, and I'm satisfied.

I don't just want to have sex with someone for the sake of getting sex, and I don't want any real relationships for a LONG time. If I get involved with a woman, it'll be a friendly affair. Someone I can do something with, but with no commitments or sleeping together, that sort of thing.

I only counted penetration. Doesn't necessarily have to be vaginal.

I've never stopped at anything else. It just seems like getting a comic book cover, instead of the whole comic book, you know? (it's the language us comic nerds understand, eh? he he) Might as well finish the fucking deal instead of going home feeling disappointed.

It's a disease, pure and simple. Not one that has a shot or pill to cure either. It takes a long time and is a very hard battle that never truly ends. It'll eventually catch up to your work and personal life, that's for damn sure. Even the functioning alcoholic can't keep going without suffering, in the long run.

I was thinking the other night that it's been well over a year since I last had a drink, and that it's gotten much easier, in that I don't really care about drinking anymore.

Hellboy needs to learn about using his indoor voice around here. We reserve that type of righteous indignation for Tony Blair, George W. Bush, Nazis, Zionists, and Al-Qaeda around here.

It depends on the situation, but I certainly can be very much so.

Terri certainly brought out that side of me moreso than anyone since I was in high school and didn't know any better.

I love these threads. I always misread serious threads with titles like Kinki's as something abstract and funny, and wonder exactly what the poll could be about.

Yeah Charlie, sorry, but it's time to go.

I agree with Red's comments as relates to comparing Arafat and Sharon, but Andy's last point is completely valid.

The Palestinians are truly a voiceless people.

Depends what you mean by "the world"?

The planet Earth? Hell yeah, it'll be here! Nothing is going to end the planet, until it finally falls into the Sun.

The world as it looks now? No, I highly doubt that.

Human civilization? Hell, no! We've got 6 more good years, so make the best of it! The "world" ends in 2012, ready or not.

It's best not to give Osama too much credit for anything. He's just a Charles Manson who happened to have tons of money.

G-d....What the hell could that possibly be?! It MUST be a vowel missing, right?

Gad? Gud? Gid? hmm....

Anyway, yes, America is a two-party dictatorship where you need a very strong magnifying glass to figure out any differences between those two.

I think DC has paid off all parties ever involved with H.B. to say nice, non-judgmental comments when asked about anything having to do with the movie for a public forum.

Oh no! You only think you weren't dominated by your lust and sex drive. It's what I thought too, but looking back I can see that it was sadly impossible for a teenage boy to want anything else from life.

Well, John has always been best known as a liar, so that's entirely possible.

John has also shown the ability to be able to guess people's future or divine secrets about people, so there's a possibility with the amount of emotion he was throwing out to conjure his illusion, that he'd pick up traces of their futures.

Either explanation is entirely plausible.

Yeah, I was wondering how you can hate Whoopi....feel pity for her, sure. Get pissed off at her incredible annoying abilities, sure. But hate?

That's like hating Gary Coleman! :D

I've never felt anything remotely like hate or even dislike for O'Reiley. He's just sort of there. He's never done anything to make me want to rip his throat out, like Limbaugh. I mean, "There's a war on Christmas, people!" How can you hate that? It's like a comedian, only he doesn't even realize how funny he's being.

I put 11 on my list because Reagan is officially dead (yes, I had the proper work all done, he is truly dead), and everyone else (I think?) only had living individuals; but everyone knows I can't have a "HATE" list without Reagan.

I don't think "foreigners" understand just how strong a presense the religious right holds in the U.S.

MWA-HA-HA!

Is this is "how many times have you done it?" and people are actually able to count, they're either very new at this game or they are very weird individuals!

Yes, he wrote that too. I really enjoyed it too.

Actually, it was originally released on its own, in a prestige format book, just like "Killing Joke", but DC has decided it is too costly to keep comics in print in that format, so they've thrown those two comics into a new collection, so that all of Alan Moore's mainstream DCU stories are in ONE book.