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    Constantine: The Hellblazer Relaunch

    in Hellblazer

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    It's funny in that she refuses to swear.

    Although, can any character swear in a DC comic book?

    The Hellblazer character, from Morrison's Doom Patrol, was a really funny parody.

    It just needs to be a totally over-the-top parody, which is fine as a change of pace story. It's just a matter of how well those first two issues set up a different tone, and how this fits in to what's a multi-part story.

    I, personally, don't really want to see a John Constantine series that's completely light in tone, not after having to deal with a horrible Milligan run on HB, followed by a total misfire New 52 Constantine series.

     

    So we're all in the agreement that the New 52 husk was Kipling having a laugh tthe whole time

    Constantine: The Hellblazer Relaunch

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    This is what we get for thinking positive. DC hates their Hellblazer fans who have stuck around.

     

    I'll still give issue #1 a chance, because I don't want to judge the book based on the solicit for issue #3, but if it's not a damn good read on the first issue, I'm dropping this book before I have to actually read issue #3.

     

    The book is titled John Constantine:The Hellblazer, so that was always a bad sign. It signifies that he is, indeed, the Hellblazer, whatever that means.

     

    More like hate all who stood by Vertigo as a whole to where they not only stripped the imprint of our boy and the others to render both it and Berger obsolete to where they planted an inferior editor (who participated in our comic's demise) leading books less than stellar.

     

    The triumvirate of hackneyed and fail have won and we lost....

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    John to be featured in Arrow ?

    in Constantine - Adaptations on screen

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    No.

     

    As someone on facebook pointed out Guggenheim has a rep for trolling when it comes to the Arrow fanbase. This is a prime example of the trolling.

     

    I hope he isn't. I like this.

    Not many of us don't. Knowing Guggenheim he'd go to the failed New 52 version. I'd rather Ragman get fucked up instead

     

    n00b52 is kinda a pain...but some of the concepts work (like justice league dark,stupid name,good concept) .they should just hybridize it all

    Can't we just accept Totems as the only JL Dark we need.

     

    Plus having read Injustice Year 3 so far, I'd trade John out for Ragman.

    Lucifer being played for laughs for TV

    in Comics in other media

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    And also a blatant waste of licensing rights. I suppose Mike Carey will get some cash for this, and that's great, but he's really not earned it.

     

    Not sure he will, he didn't create the characters and we're dealing with DC here.

     

    Plus Gaiman tweeted a positive reponse to the pilot having seen it himself. Then again he did write Nightmare in Silver so...

     

    He didn't say it was "Good." Just that it was a mindless fun. But then he could be Bullshitting and trying not to talk down to it.

     

    It looked like a supernatural version of Sherlock/Elementary/Castle. So while the show itself COULD turn out interesting. I know for fact they wouldn't be able to properly pull of Mike Carey's series due to the budget and being has how Lucifer has near limitless powers and had bigger fish to fry than dealing with the LAPD and solving crimes.

    Or Kapinos and Bruckheimer just couldn't be arsed with the idea bigger beyond their wildest imagination

    How do you think Injustice John is v.s. Constanteen's John.

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    Have you seen the synopsis for the first two issues?

    The plot is going to heavily focus on the Newcastle ghosts.

    It sounds like it's going to be based on continuity from the Alan Moore Swamp Thing era.

    I haven't seen any mention of DCU characters appearing in the first two issues, at least.

    I also read that there's going to be a lot more introspection for the character, which is a very good step. Constantine lacked pretty much any characterization for John Constantine. He was a guy who liked to screw people over, and that was about all the depth there was to him. A big reason, for me, that Constantine failed so bad was that the stories were so shallow, there was no meat to anything.

    I know about the solicts. I meant a sneak preview ala Sean Murphy's art when City of Demons was promoted.

     

    Still, what you said about the New 52 is spot on. Hell even that Guggenheim suggesgion about John being a expert on the Lazarus pits make me think of the horrible book in an instant.

    Your favorite Constantine,your least favorite

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    Jason-Yeah, I guess that's why Ennis' John sounded like a 20-something, considering Ennis was like 21 when writing Hellblazer. Compared to the older-seeming Delano John being under 40.

     

    I think Lady Constantine certainly has a point as to why it was harder to write John as an aging character, nearly at 60. It would have required the character to chance, and basically after the Paul Jenkins run, John stopped changing. He was aging in real life, but his characterization remained pretty consistent. It was the template Constantine written by Mike Carey, based on Ennis' characterization, but updated a bit.

    Of course, we saw some changes with Azzarello and Milligan, but those were more just from bad interpretations of the character, rather than a real attempt to see John grow as a character, like under Jenkins.

    Milligan regressed the character.

     

    Alan Moore liked Azzarello's take, I assume, due to Azzarello wanting to take John back to basics. The whole mystery man intruding in others' lives, and often not for the better. That was Constantine under Moore.

    The issue there is that when Moore was writing John, he was a supporting character in another character's book. It's hard to keep that sort of character going when they have their own title, which requires characterization and background.

    It also gets hard to do after the book has been running for over 100 issues, and readers already know the background of this character. The character may seem dark and mysterious to strangers, but the readers just see it as poor characterization.

    Plus, it is surprising that Moore liked Azzarello's version, considering that Azzarello's version was actually immoral. Moore's John was the most heroic incarnation of the character. Something we rarely saw of John during the Hellblazer run, where we thought of him as an anti-hero. Yes, he did good things. Yes, at times he showed heroic sides. But, for the most part, he was amoral. Under Moore, we saw John actually willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good and such.

    So, Azzarello's version is really the furthest removed from Moore's version, even though Azzarello did sort of go "back to basics".

     

    Even our boy's characterization through the course of the TV series isnt that far off from, as you said, Moore's heroic incarnation as well bits of spell casting (albeit small occasions) world saver of Carey and the light show of #238 when against the Chelsea Smilers and the Spring-heeled Jack manifestation.

     

    One could say the show in its own way succeeded where both Azzarello and the New 52 pitifully failed.

     

    As for Milligan, the mmishandling got where i came to the conclusion that his John was just someone else with the Constantine name rather than the real John. Same with Kit, Gemma, and Angie. All four were unrecognizable (as well as Cheryl and Tony via flashbacks and the 1979 sequences of the Shade follies) and yet Shelly Bond allowed it (while Berger watched helplessly just as the Time Warner overlords were forcing her into leaving) just as Paul Levitz allowed DiDio to bombard the whole DCU with his asinine bias logic like the true Hollywood personality he is.

     

     

    I do sense some form of extension when writing our boy:

     

    *Moore and Veitch (as well as Nancy Collins and Mark Millar before he became barmy) presented a heroic side that never came back until the show which has said mixture above.

     

    *Delano- older self loathing yet still a smooth operator.

     

    Ennis presented a 20 something nature to where it became the archtype in when writing the character.

     

    Jenkins- back to acting his age more compared to Rich and company.

     

    Ellis may have been the first to retread to Ennis while calling back to Delano.

     

    Carey as you mentioned and Mina carried it on.

     

    Diggle's was still Delano!Redux as seen in his six parter for Swamp Thing

     

     

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    Supergirl flies to CBS

    in Comics in other media

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    that doesn't look bad. i think it is aimed at girls, like buffy was, but that not a bad thing. first i was a little biased towards her not looking like her comic counterpart (a teenage girl like wank off fantasy) but that might actually be better. totally down with calista flockhart, i loved ally mcbeal. only thing i am a little bit hmmm about is jimmy olson looking and acting like a sex god. i actually liked the depiction of the smallville version (and i see no reason why there shouldnt be a black actor that could pull this off). soundtrack seems ok too, something more badass would have been prefereed on my side though.

     

    Other than rob another poc character in fellow Daily Planet employee Ron Troupe of coming in the show.

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