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essentially when these old geezers hit the dirt,most of our problems will be solved

I think Nick and John should just drop everything and fuck.

 

would probably solve half their problems.nick so desperately wants johnny to take him back .he kept on making offers to join the dark side too many times[cannon]

 

My yaoi senses are tingling.

hey man,we didn't do it,the writers did

I think Nick and John should just drop everything and fuck.

would probably solve half their problems.nick so desperately wants johnny to take him back .he kept on making offers to join the dark side too many times[cannon]

I want to make a mini fan comic book about DC shite.

that would be cool.if there's an artist,i'm willing to be one of the writers

It's not like he's dressed as a cop. If you want to draw distrust, you dress up as a cop, not in a suit.

 

Why would you want to con people who live in the poor neighbourhoods? First of all, they ain't got much money either, if they're living with you. Secondly, it's not very ethical to rob those who don't have much.

Wouldn't it make sense for John to sell himself to people with cash and take their money? It's about blending in, isn't it? You wear a suit to blend in with the bourgeoisie, not to blend in with other poor people.

Well not saying John would necessarily rob someone in the hood but he himself would get robbed.

yeah,he damn sure would.but for real,his accent sounds like he's not high class,so how are you falling for this?(actually,he sounds like he's not an idiot,that could help) really,i thank being a tall handsome dude with blonde hair and blue eyes worked wonders for him....and swinging both ways would give him bonus points.

and no he wouldn't be in da hood,but the way philly's set up,high society and the hood tend to be within walking distance at times.do NOT ask me why it's like this,it just is.like temple university is right in the ghetto.really.and center city,homeless people and wealthy people walk the streets,nice shopping places right next to the tacky ones.the shit's crazy.really if he didn't 'ride the synchronicty wave' he might accidently walk right uo in the hood and be fucked before he realizes it,especially in the day when everyone's at work

I'm assuming if you're even open minded enough to read hellblazer ,it would be a non issue

pretty much.

 

Though I find it interesting that John had a mixed child.

me too.but apparantly john hardly gives a damn.he still pulled his normal conjob shit in the end,even if it was to protect his child.i'll say he did okay as a dad for a bit ,despite the failing of everything else...but damn,did he just get over on batman? shit john!

Pretty sure Wizard's not based on our John and I still remember the episode 23 years on

of course he's based off conjob.he's a shifty white dude in a trenchcoat

The older John got, the harder it would have been to write for him. It's quite a trick to write for a character who's wiser and more experienced than you.

 

... I compare [Azzarello's] John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

 

Well said.

 

 

Denise Mina's Constantine was spot-on. (Apart from his Scottish accent.) Delano is my favourite, and I totally agree with Qusoor's take on Jenkins' Constantine; but Mina's handling of the character is right up there.

i think part of the issue was for the desire to not see a character change.i really was turned off by azarello's sociopathic monster and milligan sticking john with a chick almost young enough to be his grand daughter and that he obviously wanted to date himself..and the fact he met epiphany when she was younger,added to the fact the mind trip and seeing her as child and still wanting to bang her....that came off as too creepy...and i don't think shade the changing man should've even showed up .plus the phoebe thing...you'd think at that age john would know better...

i think it's comic book culture...manga/anime writers seem to know how to handle this better (see naruto vs naruto:shippuden...charcater changes are quite noticeable...for all those who even watch anime).

Coven has connotations with Wicca.

I want John to stay far away from that type of magic, which is always so stereotypical in pop-culture.

John's magic should always be portrayed as more traditionalist, Hermetic and ritualistic.

Plus, based on the majority of HB, John was always portrayed as a solitary practitioner. That's how I like to think of John. Perhaps that's because that's what I've always been.

that is very much true,john being solitary...except pre-ravenscar.remember the newcastle gang and flashbacks of john hanging out with gaz,les ,anne,and others?

...wasn't til after he fucked up that he went solo.and it's not like he intended to look for a group.

john initially came just for nick and zatanna just happened to be there.

i understand not wanting to see hollywood style magic and crap...it doesn't work like that. it think the closest to irl i can think of really would be the craft...but even then,there's still the extra.

covens kinda vary by group far as i know.i was a solitary practitioner and rediculously amateur because I didn't beleive in the shit half the time..for the most part.if you're really trynna do some shit,you'll spend most of your time in old dusty books,talking to elder practitioners ,the ones who do weird shit like knowing your mood as soon as you answer the phone and knowing shit that they should NOT know.also...magick has a price and the person whom i will not name said this to me. hell,said person probably know i'm talking about them

my only regret is not slinging a few curses around...but then again my parents know people much more powerful than i ever was ,so that would've been a no go

There were other street magician types during the Hellblazer series. The problem with Nick Necro (besides his name!) was that he was meant to be so cool. John wanted to be like Nick Necro. John went to American to learn from Nick Necro. John started to wear a trenchcoat because that's what Nick Necro wore. Fuck that! They just made John a watered down little boy in the "New 52", rather than the complex character in Hellblazer.

I'd rather they avoid cliche pop-culture stuff like "covens" in a John Constantine story. Otherwise, the idea of John and Nick Necro and Zatanna hanging around together, because they had things in common, would have been fine.

That wasn't the direction they decided to move things. It was just a failure all around, but maybe a love triangle between three powerful occultists would have worked.

true...except in my personal experience,when people in 'the occult' do become close,we in fact,fall into covens.lovers do it too,first serious boyfriend of mine tried to initiate such.as for other street magicians,hellblazer had that in spades ,but not so much dcu.and i do NOT like how john came off as some kid who wanted to ride nick's dick (figuratively...don't really mind the literal part). i think zatanna rebeliously hangin' out with a couple of street magicians and crooks like them (nick really gave me thug vibes,like he beats people the fuck up in the street ..he is from brooklyn so it's to be expected).

i'm saying ,like what if john was traumatized after the astra thing,stayed in ravenscar a bit and heard word of nick and went to him for help...it could've worked (i wrote it this way in a fanfic...madame xanadu was in ravenscar and put john up to it).nick might take pity on his ass (or see a use for him and take pure advantage) half crazy john constantine running around (like in hellblazer) is about right.

though i think the point of him takin' nick's jacket (nick rocked da shit outta dat trench coat and you know it.bonus points for NOT wearing it all the time). i mean,unless it was mystical or as a token of a lost lover,i don't see the purpose of this.

really,the token of a lost lover thing would've fit and zatanna looking for nick and john would've fit even more so.

i'm just frustrated becaus eit seemed like a waste of a perfectly good story line...like milligan's run.i mean,awesome shit could've happened there....just like i'm annoyed that constantine just rocked out at the end of year 3 of injustice....if he never comes back.and also...damn ,superman's dream...i'm waiting for the AU

-it's good that you are moving on with your life,i wish you luck and be careful.i do offer one piece of advice ,however;

you have to tell any and everyone you date of your status and you have to do so early on because homophobia is rampant in our culture .many men do not consider trans women in the same sense as genetic females as myself ,as the same goes for trans men.my best advice it to try dating other people who identify as either trans or possibly bi in some cases (some of us don't mind a trans partner and i fall into that camp to a certain extent) heard some horror stories going around ,and now you will be subjected to the same perverts women have to put up with...stay safe,be happy and remember love knows no boundaries....even the after life

azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

 

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

 

Yeeeah that John was creepy as fuck. Like him just walking into a bingo night with some prostitute he found on the block and being a giant creepy prick on purpose was odd as shit.

And then the whole thing with Manor was even more underhanded even for John. I compare this John with Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman.

exactly.i was in shock and disgust through the whole thing.i mean,john's kinda dickish at time,but i spent azarello's run wanting bad shit to happen to him.pale contrast to dangerous habbits when i was heartbroken and delano's entire run where i just wanted shit to go right for constantine.

azzarello missed the essence of what made john human and tried to make him come off as some sort of sociopath, so he loses points. i liked hard time and freezes over though.

jamie delano is obviously one of everyone's favs.

alan moore, the originator <3

garth ennis i enjoyed for the most part , just reread the "confessional " story and i'll be damned if that isn't brilliant.

mike carey's was pretty awesome.

 

and i'll admit, i agree with your thoughts on keanusteen. that movie was also what got me into the character.

 

new 52 can sod off.

yes,sociopath was the word.that particular john,i found myself wanting to harm

I think the suit was to throw people off. He looked respectable.

 

See,that's where you're wrong.As an urban black youth I do NOT trust white dudes in suits,business men are shady.Period.We would already be onto his ass.Wish he would stroll up in my 'hood wit his shit.

 

No,really.As a cultural rule, alot of black people are suspect of 'respectable' looking white people because it tends to spell bad news for us...but moving along.

 

I call the suit as being for kicks,John would do something like that(on Constantine...he has a cheap looking business card that would make me call shady in a minute).

I hear that.

As an sheltered black youth (let's face it, I am) A white dude strolling in the streets in a suit and tie AND a trench coat.

Naw, dead and robbed a minute.

First rule of the hood; NEVER act like you got money. For John, he'd probably think of a way out of all that mess, buuuut it would certainly hurt.

that mofo better learn to dodge bullets like the matrix if he wanted to survive philly

Just read that fic ,and it was just what I needed.I am completely envious of the way you set the tone and mood and got John's character (one of the better john's ) spot on.From the actions down to the diction ,etc.It kinda read like a Hellblazer story...I need to seriously work on my shit.Good story though,and thanks for writing

I'm a bit peeved cuz Nick's character could've been handled better.ts like this...I like the IDEA of nick Necro ,and the 3 way luv coven thing...just the delivery was pure shit.I will be honest,it really was.

I think it's nice that john found anotherdusty street magician to hang out with . I would've like to see them together in a story running around fuckin shit up and turning Zatanna out .the idae of this ragtag group making the pros look like shit amuses me ,plus somebody watching John's back makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside...but this would only work if he kept his hellblazed back story

I do agree on delano's john being the best and in dangerous nannies habbits he was awesome

My auto-correct is a bitch and a half,damnit! dangerous friggin' habbits!

just key warning I will eb correcting posts,as I am usually going mobile on the site

RE: SPN- I can't see how since the most glaring one of all is Cas' attire (and that got changed in the wake of the show being developed when SPN was in Season 9). Since Cas and season 5, it disappeared up its own backside as far as Cas becoming a god, Leviathans, more fangirl pandering, Crowley overstaying his welcome, "DeanMon" (which isn't remotely the same as Demon Constantine)

 

i mean seasons 1-5.i refuse to acknowledge anything after that

 

it's like the low fantasy atmosphere of it all and the fact that it had a more dark undertone than constantine did...even vampire diaries did.felt too staged and unnatural

 

however here's how i feel bout pandering: gimme some nekid bitches already! and wenz johnny-boy gonna get slammed into a matress ?[never]

 

actually ,those are not necessary for a good show.i love grimm and there is none of that.just good acting,great plot ,iteresting creatures and realistic levels of racial diversity.that works too.

Constantine was never Hellblazer to me. It was always "a better version of what n52 Constanteen should've been." It was fun, it had some cool stuff in it, and it was something to watch to get away from Supernatural's brooding brotherly love angst.

 

If not for my love for trench coats and occult/gore stuff, I'd drop SPN right quick.

 

SPOILERS: Frankinsteins are now the next big bad.

 

For John's Bisexuality; I think that the handling of John's sexual orientation was very sensitive to touch on, because they had to stress the people who'd find it offensive if they painted it in a bad light. But there were subtle hints of John's bi-ness.

• Him and Liv's father, Jasper Winters, being "close".
  
• "I don't do zip ties without a safe word." (though this is more so an example of his BDSM kink)
  
• Kissing Gary Lester on the forehead along with the implied one-nights the two have possibly had.
  
• When Zed told John that they're visiting a priest, he removes one of the condoms. (dunno if this implies he won't need a condom since he won't have to worry about pregnancy with another man, or he was giving that condom to Zed for her own good times)
  
• Kissing Chas on the cheek.
  

I agree...barring the him and jasper were close thing...i thought jasper winters could've easily been baron winters,but that was wishful thinking..

still am happy he wasn't completely straight washed

I think the suit was to throw people off. He looked respectable.

See,that's where you're wrong.As an urban black youth I do NOT trust white dudes in suits,business men are shady.Period.We would already be onto his ass.Wish he would stroll up in my 'hood wit his shit.

No,really.As a cultural rule, alot of black people are suspect of 'respectable' looking white people because it tends to spell bad news for us...but moving along.

I call the suit as being for kicks,John would do something like that(on Constantine...he has a cheap looking business card that would make me call shady in a minute).

I honestly can't see John wearing (or affording) anything other then what he usually wears. It's like if Superman wore bellbottom jeans with his cape, or batman in shorts. John's trench coat look is his costume and is his most recognizable attire. There've been instances where he's worn different types of clothes of course, to me, they seem so incomplete on him. Maybe I suffer from Castielitis where I can't see John without a trench coatm but that's just how I feel when talking about John's look.

 

Really? I always thought the slacks ,tie and smokin' like a chimney to be more iconic.I always viewed the coat as extra cuz there are so many badasses in trenchcoats and he's not the first badass in trenchecoats out there,so many...john just manages to look like a shift bastard with his...not to mention he looks kinda scruffy at times.really i think he wears the suit either to through people off or for kicks

oh fuck no

I don't remember him from the show.

I have Batman: The Animated Series on DVD.

 

Two marks against him:

1.)His freakin' name is Wizard!

 

2.)It says he went to the city to get rich. That's not the right characterization for our John.

he was a shift bastard...but he ain't got nothin' on Conjob

I'm in this weird situation in which I'm out to almost everyone who knows mebarring my dad who's suspect anyway...but as I walk down the street and NOT announce I'm bi ,I seem to have little problem.And then when I do tell folks ,I get more of a surprise look or...they figured cuz apparently I give off 'lesbian vibes'??? In philly ,there isn't really a problem with it...not that i'm aware of.lot's of lovely butches (mostly black) wanderin' about and...other stuff.

So I wonder...what's it like where you live?

Here's the thing...people want to make excuses for Obama. It's the same excuses people have tried to make for Democrats time after time. OK, so yes, Obama had to deal with Republicans who would vote "no" to anything he proposed, basically. He still could have done things to not make the situation worse. But, he didn't. No. He actually did a lot of things that actively made things much worse. So, yes, Obama has to take the fault for all that. He showed that, even had it not been for the Republicans (who Democrats keep trying to blame for problems), he would have pursued basically this exact same path.

Obama was a neo-conservative. It's as simple as that. The neocons didn't stand a chance getting elected on the Republican ticket, so they decided to run a candidate as part of the Democrats instead. It's ingenious.

really for me obama was just the less of two evils. so yay,a black president,cuz y'know,i'm iz blaq ,but really,until we have muilti-ethnic people in the congress,senate seats local government and i'm not talkin' 'bout 'house negroes' (i'm black ,lemme had this ya'll...anybody else repeat this,we will have a problem) who reinforce white supermacy and classism/elitism,there is no chance of change.

as for lgbtq folks...same type of white supremacy and all that crap.racism is a bitch when you're homo,worse if you're ' half gay' ,like me.

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