lady_constantine

 

well he did. it was the result of what can only be supposed to have been rape. but still three little demonlings.

rosacarnis...

tefe holland?

^It sounds like you have your own romantic notions about John Constantine.

 

I mean, John wasn't married until he was nearly 60 years old in Hellblazer. I know he was a serial monogamist, which I can relate to, as that's what I've always been.

There's no hard or fast rules on when a person gets married, or even if they will be married. John Constantine of Hellblazer also never had any children.

Some people get married at 16 too.

All I'm saying is, there's no need to rush John in to a committed relationship in this new series, and based on the way the character has been written, he doesn't seem like the type who is too worried about just getting sex as it comes.

Do we really need to see the soft, vulnerable, caring side of this Constantine already in a comic book that's just launched?

 

Yeah, honestly, the idea of failed long-term relationship after failed long-term relationship is pretty damn hard on a person emotionally.

...the 60 year old marriage thing is a result of following western comics standard,marry sue insertion ,and wish-fulfillment,point invalid.

serial monogamy?

Own insecurities and realization that he's a FUCK UP (he is) who doesn't deserve love,Again...reinforced and stemming from an abusive childhood and later,other trauma.

as far as being vulnerable...he was kinda some time vulnearble after that crazy fear machine situation and he showed up at marj and mercury's...this was just before the flashback 'dead boy's heart ' thing (looking right at it).And actually,his entire persona is kinda hiding a hurting person.World did him bad and lashing out thing,not just some sociopathic dick.Result of life conditions,social conditioning (child-hood) and other things.

All in all,bad lovelife stems form self fulfilling prophecy.Really,do you want me to start posting panels where he's monologuing about these things.

and who said he had to be soft and caring? that hardly has to do with being in love...some of us are full time assholes regardless (john).Besides,john kinda read as the 'make the pain go away' escapist-vice type.

And he kinda has a tendency to start coddling on women.NO I do NOT wanna see this next issue,or the next...maybe issue #8-10 (if this even makes it that far).I'm kinda referencing things for later and not things for now...but it wouldn't hurt if a powerful actual love interest from his dark past shows up (or conversly if we found out that John/Gaz was probably the start of such behavior)

I'm waiting for the furry community to demand equal representation as well.

 

i had some run ins with those folks in the past.it'll be awhile before people become okay with that,i can vouch for this

I think its safe to assume people will NEVER be okay with that.

 

you'd be surprised...personally I say :(

 

however...

 

 

 

YES

wowza. yea, i'd hit that in a new york minute .

my point exactly.

okay...though where i come from...we kinda start getting a life around 25 or 26.

 

so unless he's like 22-24 here,???

 

maybe cultural misunderstanding.so what ,what ,everyone in the uk starts having kids and families at 30?or is the broken family thing common and even accepted ?or is this a white thing,or a middle class thing? idk. is that how it works now? 30 is NOT the new 20.and this is implied to be after his punk rock days so???

 

i can buy 22-24 maybe,but if he's like 26-27 and bed-hopping.no.

 

This is John Constantine, not Richie out of Happy Days.

i know...but dead serious...are you guys still bed hopping at 30?this is an honest to god question.(NOT RELATED TO CONSTANTINE)

also...i think this desire for a character to be that promiscuous...must have vicarious leanings.I did say that i expect one night stands...its normal...please don't misinterpret.For god's sake,I read Tarot ,Witch of the Black Rose and Lady death and God knows it's just T&A and essentially soft core porn...but even Tarot has had ACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS (she's bi too!) .Just...no love at all would be lame.And even if in love,I do NOT mind seeing john getting it on with said person,regardless of gender.

Seriously,Constantine has too many feels to NOT fall in love (though for all the WRONG reasons).Really,he's one of those characters who needs a hug...but is scared whoever touches him would get burnt...probably literally because he could end up in a crazy situation like that.

okay...though where i come from...we kinda start getting a life around 25 or 26.

so unless he's like 22-24 here,???

maybe cultural misunderstanding.so what ,what ,everyone in the uk starts having kids and families at 30?or is the broken family thing common and even accepted ?or is this a white thing,or a middle class thing? idk. is that how it works now? 30 is NOT the new 20.and this is implied to be after his punk rock days so???

i can buy 22-24 maybe,but if he's like 26-27 and bed-hopping.no.

speaking of which how old was the clearly under 40 john from injustice with the maybe 7 year old kid that he DID acknowledge (cuz,she knew him,though because of his life,he understandably wasn't around much.Too many enemies).i'm just sayin'.Not knockin' 'experimentation'...i would've never known i liked other women for sure if i didn't go find out.but really?

as for vicariousness...i do not vicariously live through fictional characters and if anyone wants to sleep with droves of people,that's on you.if i wanted to,i would.it's rediculously easy to get especially as a woman,a young woman,with a serious rack and alcohol involved (or ,you buy me drinks,you know how it goes)but as with hellblazer...john should act his age (pointing at milligan's run)

really,if we were dealing with john in his punk days,i'd expect to see some crazy shit.but...this is post punk john so not really.i'm sayin,i do agree with some one night stands,with all this birth control (never mind std's.they don't exist) its normal.but i really don't wanna see him with someone different EVERY issue.that would be over doing it

also lgbt people suck just as much a anyone else,and in fact are sometimes more bitchy,i don't think being bi is a badge of honor,on some days,i do a walk of shame.and of cours john's a damn shady bastard,he could be outright trans and be the same...i would hate to see a good guy john...that;s actually worse than an outright evil one

but really...it'd be nice if an actual bisexual write bisexuals for once sowe can not have this conversation.period

also promiscuity...i never said he was a saint and that he should NEVER sleep around...(i did say i expect to see him climbing out of random beds at time...) .but being that john is pretty much starved of affection (THIS STEMMED FROM HIS CHILDHOOD) i expect to see him at some point attempt to try (and fail,fail so VERY hard) at finding love.Yes,I get hormones ,fuck morals n' god and ,all that shit(john,not me) and i have done so questionable shit so whatever .

Yes john as a sexual person,I get that.In my journal verse(LINK in my signature),john/zee/nick thing started as a drug induced threeway at a rave in Arkham somewhere...in which case they winded up back at nick's place in brooklyn and had no idea how they got back,.worse,nobody knew john's name,he was just 'blondie' and that british guy.

And I see that as being VERY in character for early 20 something constantine.

but eventually,he'll grow up...or not.most people except extreme perverts with money (cuz you all have to pay,especially men after 35) eventually settle down.other than them,there are people who are just loners...and they wouldn't be chasing partners much

Oh, and to keep on my recurring theme about a romantic anti-hero ideal, like an Oscar Wilde character, he's a quote from the man, himself.

-'Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike.'

true...except the reason that he was portrayed so openly bisexual was to appease lgbt folks in the first place.bad marketing move.

I'm waiting for the furry community to demand equal representation as well.

 

i had some run ins with those folks in the past.it'll be awhile before people become okay with that,i can vouch for this

I think its safe to assume people will NEVER be okay with that.

you'd be surprised...personally I say :(

however...

YES

I'm waiting for the furry community to demand equal representation as well.

i had some run ins with those folks in the past.it'll be awhile before people become okay with that,i can vouch for this

oh i meant the bomber jacket, not the coat.

i know one or two ladies that have such a coat (and no they are not strippers, lol).

idk...women can pull it off for some reason.really...ITS THE DAMN BOOTS.LOSE THE BOOTS,MAN,LOSE 'EM.

AND THAT HAIRCUT

on a plus,his yes are just so perfect.like the nice guy/son of a bitch thing he's got goin' on too

hey,calm down,a joke.fanwork is awesome ,shit i'm writing a hellblazer script (long haul project) and a journal from john's pov (i restarted it because i got into a dispute and deleted my account). i;m not very familiar with gravity falls though and for the poster detective connan.YES that is similar ,minus the occult.Serious cannon overhaul is necessary though,'cos he didn't become a detective really until later..and for most of hellblazer and constantine,he was just a nosy bastard.best detective work he did was in swamp thing

Kit Ryan was the best.

 

And I hope they wouldn't get too far or mess around with John's sex life. He was played around with a dog (while drugged) on Azzarello's run.

Kit Ryan was the best.

 

And I hope they wouldn't get too far or mess around with John's sex life. He was played around with a dog (while drugged) on Azzarello's run.

yes,I loved kit ryan.

and yeah...the dog thing was squick.

really,we're just waiting for eldritch abomination to come with the tentacles already...

in hellblazer it made absolute sense. someone that comes from an absolute terrible family background, trying to find the love that he never received and unable to fully commit because of his narcissistic tendencies and the guilt that makes him believe that he does deserve the fate of solitude, ultimatly pushing away all the great girls he met, before, like he figured, they would make him for who he truly is and go themselves.

 

in that context turning him into this old guy who marries someone that could be his daughter.... MILLLIIIIGAAAAAN

yeah ...i couldn't get over that.and then he has a NIECE around that age and after what demon constantine did...too many unfortunate implications,man

don't get sued

I do hope that John isn't presented as having a boyfriend or girlfriend though. I want this John to be promiscuous. Having a recurring sexual partner would be ok, that they could flesh out, but it should be one that is ok with the fact that John is going to sleep around, that he's not committed.

yeah,cuz all of us bi folks are promiscuous,right?That would COMPLETELY defeat the purpose of the whole move of making him openly bi.Besides,through all of the constantine series (barring the show) ,john's been in commited relationships.

danita wright

epiphany greives

kit ryan

zed....was kinda sketchy ,so was marj...

but still,for the most part ,his girlfriends

and i'm pretty sure he was committed to nick and zatanna...only zatanna more than nick...

in light of that,while i can see john sleeping around in for personal gain or getting drunk and waking up with strange folks ocasionally,outright being a whore would be like azarello levels of OOC.

then again...i did write a hellblazer/constantine fic about john being roped into sex magic with other people (shoulda read the fine print) in order to appease a VERY powerful sucubus.THAT would be acceptable.Course the bitch is gonna have to die eventually...

at the end of the day,if you don't like the idea of conjob getting it on with other men,then just don't read it guys.I do like the way that it was treated casually and naturally.it wasn't omg ,i'm attracted to this man,what to do...no,his head went straight to the fact that this guy was attractive ...though I did get the indication that john was treading on ice.in real life,i do the same.most bisexuals are not butches and screaming queens and as such are believed to be hetero...flirting with someone is always a test the waters thing....and can be awkward unless we KNOW the other party goes both way/is gay. like john did,I kinda bait chicks into flirting with me or drop hints,so that part was yeah...still unexpected though! just went straight to it.kinda use to john just thinkin' bout it and not going for it,y'know?

@the lady:

there are still punks over here (ger that is, not gb) wearing jackets like that, regardless of the weather.

oh,okay,cultural.Over here ,folks in trench coats tend to be cops,corporate guys (in autumn or winter) or crazy people.Trench coats kinda get a bad rep here period.

i kinda wanna see how this pans out at this point.Anyone know when the next issue's being released?

I'm a little peeved of Blythe's cock blocking that bartender. I was enjoying that interaction. Hope we see him again.

 

yeah...and he would've ended up dead :(

 

no,heseemed like a cool guy and I really wouldn't wish that on him

I heard he'll be a recurring character.

YES.

Though I have to wonder what role he'll play.

He gonna be John's boyfriend or do he know some secret occult shit we don't .I mean if he had like the basement of the place protected against demons,or if he a fallen angel or something you know ?

I like tea occasionally. Earl grey hot with a lemon slice on a brisk fall afternoon, please.

hmm...I love earl gray so very much...but I don't put lemon in it because it takes from the original taste,Chamomile makes me chill but I can't stand the taste.I rarely drink coffee though.

I'm a little peeved of Blythe's cock blocking that bartender. I was enjoying that interaction. Hope we see him again.

yeah...and he would've ended up dead :(

no,heseemed like a cool guy and I really wouldn't wish that on him

Okay, I get it. He bangs dudes!

pretty much.And it's not a big deal.it's not a problem that he occasionally likes to 'take it like man'.[couldn't resist]

just that outside this nice little circle here on this site,it's kinda a big deal.(you see how they got on youtube,man)And in a world where lesbians/bi women are essentially reduced to fanservice...it kinda means somethin'.really i think the simple fact that we're fans of a series with a bi protagonist and we all read that bdsm/prison/complete perversion azarello run and still didn't jump ship,pretty open minded folks here.

I've been on message boards where people literally try to fight and deny his sexuality for vicarious reasons.and then ,if this was an lgbt based thread,there'd be a top vs bottom argument (yes...this is a thing that does happen in the circles.I am dead serious.MASCULINITY ISSUES).Oddly,most SWM readers want him to be think he's a top...but clearly it's bottom/versatile.

okay,okay.I'M DONE ,like for REAL.

until someone else pokes the dragon...

also,who's the fashion victim in the picture?

The jacket's becoming more like a leather bomber jacket ...

 

Which reminded me of

okay...but I can deal with a leather bomber jacket.Makes him look LESS like a creep and more up to date.

though I have to ask,for those who lived in the UK in the eighties...was that look popular or something?

just far as I know,where I live,not weather appropriate which the show adresses with john usually rockin' just the top,the tie and his his slacks,not a full blown suit and the pervert coat

It can certainly be seen to be a defense mechanism, a way you learn to protect yourself in a world that you consider hostile.

It's one of a number of different personality traits recognized in psychology as a "personality disorder", meaning it's one way to coping with a world that seems harmful and beyond our control, developed in early years of life.

Although, looking at the concept being applied to corporate CEOs, it could be said that it's actually an evolutionary advantage to living within an industrialized, modern world. That the sociopath is, rather than aberrant, better adapted to thrive and compete in the current social environment. I believe that science fiction William Gibson dealt with this theme in one of his short stories.

John doesn't apply his sociopathy to success in the world, but it's easy to argue that he's a true survivor, who will do what it takes to ensure his own life.

true...and he suffers for it unlike true sociopaths.